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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Conscious thoughts, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Clara Tea

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    I'll teach that I own the Brooklyn Bridge, and that should convince the state of New York and the person that I sell the bridge to.
     
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  2. Clara Tea

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    Guantanamo torture camp? Homeless camps with no toilets, pooping and peeing in drainage channels with other homeless COVID victims?

    Jesus was at home everywhere, but he helped. We were all his children.
     
  3. Clara Tea

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    Greeks had their own Gods (Zeus, Hera, et al).
     
  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, I have thoughts. Faith is a thing, for sure. But so is knowledge. Can you explain why you think that accepting "unseen" and unprovable teaching as "truth" is better than accepting actual truth as truth?

    What is it, exactly, about that which is "unseen" and only taught by people who claim to have special knowledge, but who couldn't give you a single proof that they know any more than you do, which makes it so attractive to you?

    What is wrong with examining your own mind, your own experience, you own wisdom, your own soul...and living your life according to what you find there?
     
  5. blü 2

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    That definition abandons any objective definition of "truth" without replacing it.

    So 'truth' is anything the subject would like it to be, and I guess that's what 'faith' means in this context.
     
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  6. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And I do believe you have that just about right...
     
  7. rational experiences

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    Truth.

    I am a human.
    I was born a human baby.

    Sperm not a baby.
    Ovary not a baby.

    Original two human adults parents our spiritual memories

    Recorded living. Own heavenly recorded lived life and died.

    Spirit memory human.

    Atmospheric image voiced recorder transmitter machines

    Machine owned controlled operated by designer human confessed to causing attack on life to produce AI human recording.

    Owned status man human father adult life caused it.

    I faithfully acknowledge the teaching as I witnessed machine changed natural effects. Before occurrence had everyday human study of effect without reasoning why. Seeing imaged human spirit.

    Faith to believe in what you are taught when a human says reasonings are about why no man is God.

    Not to make up my own theories.

    Eternal spirit memory seen.

    Two humans from same one spirit being.
    Two different bodies yet human form one human baby.

    Human cells only owned by self present humans is self evident came from a place of spirit to own spirit faith completely. Which is not just a faith in human bodily presence.

    How else could two different bodies regain a new human? We are only talking human presence. Human genetics. Human form itself.
     
  8. Conscious thoughts

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    To see the spiritual worlds you can not use your physical senses:) the sendes used to see the spiritual worlds are cultivated through the practice of spiritual teaching, not by the 5 senses
     
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    When starting on a spiritual journey faith is what pull you forward, than when you stuinner wisdom arise, and faith become understanding, just like a student of science have faith in the teaching and in the teacher, when ended education the scientist understand his/her field.
     
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    I have not been to Guatanamo and i know it is a living hell, but it does not scare me.
     
  11. Altfish

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    Why does the bible say "dragon" instead of "Bush". It leaves it to the likes of yourself then to interpret it as you like
     
  12. Altfish

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    Very convenient
     
  13. Altfish

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    I began in faith and disproved it; does that count?
     
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  14. PruePhillip

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    That's not everyone's experience.
     
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    Not me that made the rules how to see the spiritual realms :) but from practice of spiritual teaching one gain wisdom
     
  16. Altfish

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    But it is many people's experience
     
  17. Altfish

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    Rules!!
    I'm missing nothing, I wouldn't call myself wise but I do have a degree and sufficient knowledge. Religion does not make you wise, in many cases it can stifle your knowledge.
     
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    We see wisdom differently:) i do not see the physical world as the true world, you are only the physical world as the truth
     
  19. Altfish

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    OK, I'm happy in the real world with my friends and family
     
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  20. PruePhillip

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    And if you see the trends in religious observance since 1900 you see a definite downward
    trend. I don't think people are any different than they were centuries before - what has changed
    is that people have the good life now - the richer you have been for a long time, the less religion
    in your life.
     
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