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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Conscious thoughts, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. mikkel_the_dane

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    I got your post wrong. Sorry.
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    No worries....you've been most civil.
    Even I make mistakes....twice last year alone!
     
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    I'm not sure how your post is relevant to what I posted.
     
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    I think that sums it up. In the Bible, Hebrews 11: 1 defines faith as being "the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld".
    If you want to get a bit more technical, the term “faith” is translated from the Greek word piʹstis, primarily conveying the thought of confidence and trust.
     
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    To believe something is true before you have evidence is a recipe for making foolish decisions.
     
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    Through my spiritual journey, I always thought spirituality would be akin to knowledge not faith. If we live our life by a specific teaching whether it's worship of the unseen or another spiritual path outside of the unseen, I would assume that what we base our life on is what we know is true.

    In other words, my thoughts, is we first believe in something (accept something is true without solid confirmation). We have said experiences that convince us something is worth looking into. We develop faith (put our trust-surrender to, I guess-that something that you choose to accept is true). Then when you lived by that faith and continued to accept that belief (i.e. you're cleaning yourself out because you feel it's worth looking into), the more you do this, the more experiences, and all, it becomes knowledge. You Know something is true and you no longer need belief and faith of it.

    So, in my spiritual experiences I'm likened to say what I experience is something I know is true.

    My questions:

    Does the unseen, by nature of it being unseen, by default can only be believed by faith?

    Can wisdom be seen as knowledge of spiritual truths or by definition, can it only be experienced by faith?
     
  7. Conscious thoughts

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    The teaching and understanding of the teachings is evidence to me. I can not speak for others :)
     
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    The teaching is evidence for the teaching? I don't follow.
     
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    I would agree that those are two common examples of faith.

    BTW, I have a bridge for sale, and I can get you a great deal!
     
  10. Conscious thoughts

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    The teachings is showing me evidence every day that it is true, by looking at the world.

    And when prayer is answered it is proof enough to me
     
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    There two aspects to this "faith". This is a way some people have rendered the word Taqwa and Muttaqoon. As in the Quran, chapter two, verse one uses the word precisely saying "This book is for them". Now understanding who this "Muttaqeen" is describing is a debated matter.

    1. Some people seem to think that this exactly what you said. That it means those who believe in the unseen. This is an interpretation.

    2. If you go to the linguistics, this means those who have Taqwa, which is a sense of righteousness within them. Do you understand? There are some people who have this, as in when you see a piece of Gold somewhere, and you have a chance to steal it, but you know that it not right, so you refrain from doing so. IT could be that you believe God is watching, but it also could be that you have that God-given righteousness within you.

    So, this faith interpretation runs a little deeper than interpreting an English word in English.

    I hope you understand.
     
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    Ah, okay. So the world is evidence of the teachings. So if you didn't have that evidence, would you still believe?

    Can you give an example of an answer you've received to prayer, and how you determined it was an answer?
     
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  13. Secret Chief

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    It's only February and you got @Conscious thoughts being Finnish?
     
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  14. Secret Chief

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    Faith maintains hope through trust.
     
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    For people of the book religions, sure, but for others, the conscience is the proof. If you have an experience, and your conscience allows it, without guilt or remorse, then it's dharmic, or right action. Of course there are those who stay confused and allow negative adharmic factors to convince themselves that it's 'right' even though it isn't. Those folks don't have finely tuned consciences. That principle is really no different than an instinctive young man lying to his girlfriend, saying he loves her, just to hope he can have sex.
     
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    Uh oh....he isn't anymore?
    Or is he from Lutefiskland?
     
  17. Conscious thoughts

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    Very few understanding deeper sense of interpretation of the texts today, so English in a forum lik RF is good enough

    Hope you understand
     
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    I am international;)
     
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    I am likewise a citizen of the world; or as our previous prime minister derisively said, a citizen of nowhere. :rolleyes:
     
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    Citizenship only pin you to where on earth we was born :) i feel at home anywhere atleast of the places i been visiting :)
     
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