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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Ubon, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. Robert Landbeck

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    I have to agree that the existing faith paradigm of religion is intellectually dishonest from square one. And was probably only contrived in the absence of a more profound 'truth' . Of course the early church didn't have the benefit of our Enlightenment thinking and empirical model, relying upon Greek philosophy for its logic. But two competing conceptions on the nature of reality are the very cause of the continuing tensions and debates between science and religion. What is interesting to me is that a Faith that conforms to the modern empirical model of testable truth does not contradict scripture. Only religious tradition. Personally I would expect nothing less from God!
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  2. Shad

    Shad Veteran Member

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    I see a lot of people confusing inductive reasoning with faith.
     
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  3. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    In that sort of faith, there's generally plenty of evidence: you have lots of goods you've received from the company in the past, you can drive by their warehouse and see the company's logo displayed prominently, you'll pass the company's trucks as they deliver other people's orders, etc. You actually have a receipt or a sales contract.

    Where the faith comes in is where you trust that the company will behave towards you the way it has behaved in the past.

    It isn't a matter of faith that the company is a real thing: that's self-evident. The faith is only with regard to the future behaviour of a thing that everybody agrees exists and has behaved in a certain way so far.

    Do you think that faith in God is like (or can be like) this sort of faith? The customer can point to the warehouse and say "see - that's where my order will be processed" or to a truck and say "see - that truck is like the one that will deliver my order." Can you do that with God?

    This description of faith seems to contradict the first definition you gave:

    - by your first definition: faith is trust that what is self-evidently true now will continue to be true in the future.

    -by your second definition: faith is the realization that what seems self-evidently true is actually false.

    And I notice that your second definition also refers to evidence for belief... so where is it?
     
  4. MonkeyFire

    MonkeyFire Well-Known Member

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    Faith in time creates hope
     
  5. Quintessence

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    I'm a little confused here. Since you seem to have things all figured out for yourself, @Ubon, what are you asking us about anything for? What is your intent with this thread?
     
  6. Ubon

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    I have no knowledge of Gods existence as i have not seen him, he may well exist.

    I am trying to understand how faith even exists, how it came about.

    I have nothing figured out as i have not died yet but one thing that is beoming clear is faith seems to comfort those without proof, and that is making one feel good but destroys critical thinking.
     
  7. sandandfoam

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    I have little faith in facts. I do like stories though
     
  8. sandandfoam

    sandandfoam Veteran Member

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    The idea of critical thinking seems to comfort some without faith.
     
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