Unveiled Artist
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Okay. I don't know if this is the right thread and I don't know how to pm (if you can tell me how, please do), so here it is:
I went on a Christian chat room years ago and one person well, a couple people said, "you only need faith to be saved." While a Catholic (Orthodox, Roman, etc) said, you need the Church. One says only faith the other says practice.
What I don't understand is how a protestant sees that only faith can save a person when there is no action being done to accompany with that salvation. That is like my friend hanging on the cliff and I tell her, "if you have faith in me, I will save you" and I reach down to grab her but she doesn't use her other arm so I can pull her up. *To some protestants they feel they don't need to do anything and just wait).
How could I save her if she doesn't use her other hand to pull herself up? That doesn't mean, without her, I can't pull her up myself... it just means that with her help, I know she trusts me by putting her hand in mine as I put mine hand in hers.
Likewise in the protestant view. How can a person be saved by faith if he or she doesn't reach his or her hand to Jesus so He can pull them up?
In other words, shouldn't a Christian "show" that he/she loves Jesus and that showing is the faith that lets Him pull that Christian up? It's like the common phase, action speaks louder than words.
In the Catholic Church, on the other hand, when someone reaches out their hand for Jesus to pull them up, it means that person is taking the sacraments (reaching out their hand) and through those sacraments Jesus (the Church) pulls them up and by those sacraments--baptism (being born-again), confession (repenting ones sins to Christ), confirmation (saying "I want you Jesus to be my Lord and Savior), and communion (Taking in Jesus once one is born-again).
I don't see this profound action to be in a relationship with Jesus in protestant Churches. That doesn't mean they are not saved; it just means, I don't see it. Where is it?
When someone is with Christ, they have a relation ship with Him. It is not a one man's 'ship. A Catholic goes to Mass (some morning), prays, stays in direct communication with Jesus and His Father, his 'm'other, his friends, and his followers. It's a constant action that keeps that relationship going. Going to confession and telling their sins to Christ (doesn't always have to be in confession) they keep their tie with Him.
When I hear some protestants talk about their ties, its based on two things: Faith and scripture. I hear no actions done. I hear no prayers. No community "worship" interaction that's not Sunday Sermon and Wednesday night Bible Study/sermon.
Something seems missing in protestant fellowship (I can't generalize, sorry); and, I don't know what it is.
I went on a Christian chat room years ago and one person well, a couple people said, "you only need faith to be saved." While a Catholic (Orthodox, Roman, etc) said, you need the Church. One says only faith the other says practice.
What I don't understand is how a protestant sees that only faith can save a person when there is no action being done to accompany with that salvation. That is like my friend hanging on the cliff and I tell her, "if you have faith in me, I will save you" and I reach down to grab her but she doesn't use her other arm so I can pull her up. *To some protestants they feel they don't need to do anything and just wait).
How could I save her if she doesn't use her other hand to pull herself up? That doesn't mean, without her, I can't pull her up myself... it just means that with her help, I know she trusts me by putting her hand in mine as I put mine hand in hers.
Likewise in the protestant view. How can a person be saved by faith if he or she doesn't reach his or her hand to Jesus so He can pull them up?
In other words, shouldn't a Christian "show" that he/she loves Jesus and that showing is the faith that lets Him pull that Christian up? It's like the common phase, action speaks louder than words.
In the Catholic Church, on the other hand, when someone reaches out their hand for Jesus to pull them up, it means that person is taking the sacraments (reaching out their hand) and through those sacraments Jesus (the Church) pulls them up and by those sacraments--baptism (being born-again), confession (repenting ones sins to Christ), confirmation (saying "I want you Jesus to be my Lord and Savior), and communion (Taking in Jesus once one is born-again).
I don't see this profound action to be in a relationship with Jesus in protestant Churches. That doesn't mean they are not saved; it just means, I don't see it. Where is it?
When someone is with Christ, they have a relation ship with Him. It is not a one man's 'ship. A Catholic goes to Mass (some morning), prays, stays in direct communication with Jesus and His Father, his 'm'other, his friends, and his followers. It's a constant action that keeps that relationship going. Going to confession and telling their sins to Christ (doesn't always have to be in confession) they keep their tie with Him.
When I hear some protestants talk about their ties, its based on two things: Faith and scripture. I hear no actions done. I hear no prayers. No community "worship" interaction that's not Sunday Sermon and Wednesday night Bible Study/sermon.
Something seems missing in protestant fellowship (I can't generalize, sorry); and, I don't know what it is.
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