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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Dan Mellis, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Active Member

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    I've been on topic the whole time. It's you who's constantly trying to divert it to churches or abortions or whatever.

    Continue sticking your head in the sand to the faith schools around the world that in fact DO teach a distrust of "godless scientists", who demonize/dehumanize biologists and gay people, who teach creationism, etc.

    I went to catholic school.
    You seem to think that my stance is that EVERY school with religious connotation is engaging in hate propaganda and distrust of science. That is off course not the case.


    Great.
    This doesn't change the fact that other schools do not do that.

    The schools that your kids went to, you mean.
    You should gather some more intel, because you seem quite ignorant about the topic.

    Didn't you start this post with "let's get right to the topic"?

    The topic is not what YOU have taught your kids.



    :rolleyes:

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    Homosexuality occurs with an 11% frequency throughout the animal kingdom.


    So, unless science provides an explanation, your religious nonsense is true and accurate by default?

    :rolleyes:

    And once again to topic is shifted to something else then faith schools that teach hate and distrust of science.
     
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    Which is why I said "largely - or completely - fictional."

    Even fewer historians doubt that Abraham Lincoln existed. This doesn't mean that anyone should rely on "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" as a historical source.

    Historians believing that Jesus existed as a historical figure doesn't mean they've bought into everything in a story full of claims of magic.

    How many historians do you think believe that the "zombie invasion" of Jerusalem described in the Gospels actually happened, for instance?

    You say that, but I don't see it.

    Paul claimed that, yes.

    And the Bible also suggests that the Apostles aren't very good at this.

    A good chunk of the gospels are stories where the Apostles do something they think Jesus will approve of, but then Jesus tells them that they got it all wrong.
     
  3. shmogie

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    Wait, you said that Jesus was unlikely to have existed, historical scholarship says you are wrong. Now, you changed the goal post to include things based in faith.

    Of course, it wouldn´t be a matter of faith if history said it was true. The available documents from that time say it is true, but those rooted in naturalism reject them, so be it.

    The Bible suggests nothing. It says that the Apostles had a steep learning curve till they reached the point at which they were to be.

    Zombie invasion, I don´t know what you are talking about.
     
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    Read more carefully. I said that the Jesus of the Bible is largely - or completely - fictional.

    The closest we have to a historical document saying that Jesus was real was one reference in Testimonium Flavianum (the real one, not the forged insertion) where Josephus refers to Jesus as "the so-called Christ." Passable as evidence of his existence, but not exactly a ringing endorsement of his divinity.

    Where does the Bible say they reached this point? Chapter and verse, please.

    I'm talking about this bit from Matthew 27, particularly the part I've bolded:

    51 Just then the temple curtain was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks were split apart. 52 And tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had died were raised. 53 (They came out of the tombs after his resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.) 54 Now when the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and what took place, they were extremely terrified and said, “Truly this one was God’s Son!” 55 Many women who had followed Jesus from Galilee and given him support were also there, watching from a distance. 56 Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

    Can you point me to any legitimate historian who agrees that this event happened?

    To the extent that historians say that Jesus existed, they're talking about Jesus the itinerant preacher who led a sect of Judaism and got executed by the Romans, not Jesus the miracle-weilding god-man.
     
  5. shmogie

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    Sorry, I got my response tangled in my quoting you.
     
  7. shmogie

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    Your 11% percent of homosexual animals is high by about 5 %, but that is irrelevant, animals aren´t attending church schools.

    So, you tell me I don´t know what is going on in these schools you are so concerned about.

    How do you know what is happening in parochial schools ? Care to share your sources ? Was it in Catholic school and you are relying on what you were taught there ?

    Here is your proposal, there is no established scientific explanation as to why homosexuality exists, but people are born that way, they haven´t made a choice to be that way.

    That is ludicrous.

    If a church school teaches from the Bible on the subject, and it is a Christian school, and no reason to hate homosexuals can be found in the NT, are these schools a total failure in their primary responsibility ?

    Then why don´t you say what they are, alleged Christian schools ? By definition, they cannot be Christian schools.

    I am sure there are some alleged Christian schools who teach wrong things on this matter.

    However, the OP was trying to indict all Christian schools because he doesn´t like the Bibles view of homosexuality.

    Yo don´t either, and are one of the OPś facilitators.

    It will not change, no matter the criticism.

    Lots of people don´t like lots of things, and learn to live with it.
     
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    I believe school vouchers are available from the government and may be used to attend a religious school. Perhaps only at state level....
     
  9. TagliatelliMonster

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    It's not irrelevant at all.
    It shows that homosexuality is a common thing in nature. Unless you want to claim that animals are making "lifestyle choices because they like to sin", which off course wouldn't make much sense.

    Look it up.
    The internet is filled with new articles and documentaries of "faith schools" where children are taught anti-gay propaganda, where distrust of "godless science" is instructed followed by creationistic nonsense, etc.

    You really have no excuse for this ignorance, when all that information is at your fingertips.


    The school I went to was a very good school that didn't discriminate based on sexual orientation, religious affiliation etc. Then again I live in Belgium and policies concerning schools here are very strict. Over here, it's not so easy to run a school that teaches such nonsense.


    I don't need to be able to explain its biological causes in order to realise that it isn't a free choice.

    Assuming you are fully straight, ask yourself... could you honestly CHOOSE to have sex with another man? I mean..... could you actually PHYSICALLY do it? I sure couldn't. There's no way I'ld be able to get an erection. But if I see a mega-babe in a skin tight dress with ridiculously hot cleavage... honestly, my genitals instantly tingle.

    On the other hand, I can look at Brad Pitt and recognise him as beautifull man. I mean, he sure ain't ugly and he has a cathedral of a body. I recognize that, but it doesn't do anything to me that is even remotely sexual or attracting.

    At no point in this process am I "choosing" anything. It just happens. The mega-babe just makes me horny. Brad Pitt doesn't. It's just how it is. I don't "choose" this. It just happens.

    When I talk to my mega-gay friend though, his experience is the exact opposite. His recollection of the experience is the exact same as mine, only towards the opposite sex.

    He gets horny when he sees Brad Pitt in his six pack.
    He recognises the mega-babe as a babe, but it doesn't do anything physical to him.
    And just like in my case, he isn't choosing anything.... it just happens.

    This has all the hallmarks of sexual orientation simply being a part of your biological make-up and not at all a "free choice".

    There is nothing that points to it being a choice whatsoever.


    haaa.... the "no true christian school" fallacy. :rolleyes:

    Maybe you should re-read the OP.
    For starters, the word "christian" isn't even mentioned.

    I just agree that government funded schools have no business causing division, discrimination, hate, lie about science, etc.

    And plenty of funded faith schools do exactly that.

    I know. I'm just saying: you can teach hate, propaganda and lie about science on your own private time using your own private funds.

    Schools are supposed to educate - not to indoctrinate.

    Then perhaps learn to live with homosexuality :p
     
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    That is exactly what Paul says. He states to avoid it one would have to leave the earth. However, he also states that that it can only be ¨ lived with ¨ in va very limited fashion within the church, and that is what I am speaking of.

    You use the term hate, explain that.

    Is it hate to teach the Biblical rule regarding homosexuality within the church ?

    If so, then you want to interfere with the right of freedom of religion .

    There was a time, at least in America, when homosexuality was illegal, they were denied certain guaranteed rights and they were certainly discriminated against in public institutions and by businesses who traded with the public.

    Of course this was wrong by the Bill of rights in our Constituion, nevertheless, the majority of people supported these violations of the Constitution, It was still wrong.

    So now, the the homosexual lobby and crusaders ( jihadists ) the gaystopo, are trying to represent themselves as the majority opinion, in denying people their religious freedom as based in the constitution. Is that acceptable to you ?

    Teaching the Biblical position regarding homosexuality is not hate, and if you think so you are wrong.

    If true hatred is being taught it certainly is wrong. There is no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of Christian schools do not teach hatred.

    From an American perspective., the OP had to be speaking of Christian schools, since there are very few of any other kind here.

    Yes, the thought of the homosexual act makes my skin crawl, it is totally repulsive. Doubly so for me because as a young boy I was molested by a much older homosexual cousin. I hated homosexuals from that point. I was so ashamed, I couldn´t tell my mother till I was almost 40.

    It was Christianity that dispelled the hatred, allowed me to accept the idea of judging peoples actions as individuals, not by group dynamics. I was able to let it ll go.

    Unfortunately, when that cousin died of AIDS, I felt no sadness..,............................................

    He did do me a great service though, my mother was convinced that her sister created homosexuality in this cousin by making him do ¨ girly¨ things like cleaning house, sweeping, doing dishes, etc., etc.

    So, I never had to do any of those things. My friends were really angry when I told them what I didn´t have to do. At the time I didn´t know why, I just enjoyed it.
     
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