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Featured Faith in science?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Jaiket, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. TagliatelliMonster

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    It tastes like purple.


    :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, finally some science. ;) :D
     
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    Not the matrix. :rolleyes:
     
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    It was a hint to illustrate the nature of your error.
    I guess it went flying over your head.
     
  5. mikkel_the_dane

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    Well, the matrix is physical and natural in the end as an idea.
     
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    You use a lot of subjective reasoning and very little evidence for your claim of success. You do know that success is subjective, right?
     
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    Yes, we are pretty much still in the phenomenology part of the understanding of consciousness. But even so I'd use a more strict approach. Our human consensus of which animals are conscious doesn't say that they really are. We need a measuring device and a scale of consciousness. (Which can be, in behavioural biology, a human observer with a list of roughly objective, observable behaviours. That may later be matched by a count of (active) brain structures in neurobiology.)
     
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    I'm not even sure how to make sense of that claim. The experiences are in different minds, so they are NOT the same, no matter what. My experience of 'red' is not the same as your experience of 'red' because they are experiences for different people.

    The question is whether they are *similar* in some reasonable sense.

    And, as far as I can see, this is the same as asking if the processes that 'are' the experience in me are 'similar' to those that 'are' the experience for you. And that seems like a matter that can be settled by a deep enough knowledge of what happens in our respective brains (one we decide how similar they need to be).

    It may well be the case that the process in my brain when I see 'red' is most similar to the process in your brain when you see 'green'. In that case, I would be willing to say your experience of 'green' is the same as my experience of 'red'.

    And we *know* that some people experience color in a different way than others. Those that are color blind do not see a difference between, say, 'red' and 'green', so we know that their experience on one or the other is different than someone who can see the difference.
     
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    If we wait for philosophers to answer the question, we are lost. Instead, we should ignore them.
     
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    No it does not.
     
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    Our physical existence that can be falsified by 'objective verifiable evidence.'
     
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    From what I have seen, philosophy seems to be a trailing subject: it is rarely the origin of new and useful ideas when it comes to science. Instead, the new and useful ideas are provided by the scientists and the philosophers have to figure out how to deal with the new information.

    it isn't clear to me that philosophers have dealt with the scientific revolution at all, let alone the huge changes brought about by the last century in physics. A LOT of concepts that philosophers have seen to be 'necessary' have either been shown to be false or completely *unnecessary*. Waiting for them to catch up isn't going to get us very far.
     
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    It is getting worse science is not demanding that it explains "experience."
     
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    Science successfully figured out what atoms are and how to tap into the enormous power hidden therein.




    But it's all "subjective", ie "opinion" ha? :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes. And that is a fact, that they are opinions.
     
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    Yes, and that is all there is, right?
     
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    Stir fry with Chinese Leeks, Hua Jiao and garlic then serve with bean sprouts and brown rice

    Eh? Failure to respond. Your source as cited supported my view.
     
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    Not necessarily, but as far as defining the 'Natural World' it works.
     
  20. mikkel_the_dane

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    Well, that is your subjective standard for consciousness. I.e. you choose your standard for what you subjectively consider consciousness.
     
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