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Yes. Humans are not difficult to coerce. It's largely the point of hazing rituals - put someone through a difficult ordeal to become part of a group and they have to tell themselves the group is that much more awesome to rationalize the abuse they faced.
so you believe under duress, they will submit as a pain avoidance?
Stub your toe enough times and you'll be loyal to being more careful. Is that force? Yes I think the psyche exerts force on us.Can loyalty be forced?
"An ascetic was asked what Taqwa is. He said: “What will you do if you enter a piece of land full of thistles?” The one who had asked the question said: “I will keep away myself from it.” the ascetic said: “Do the same in world, it is Taqwa.”"
:: Kalam and Beliefs :: What Is Piety (Taqwa)
Yes. Peer pressure, for example.Can loyalty be forced?
That's not what I'm talking about. If you aren't very familiar with hazing rituals, which are one time only ordeals, do a little research. Or don't. Up to you.
thank you. that word alone is pretty descriptive.Sheeple is the apporos term I think.
one is blind loyalty to authority vs the other is loyalty based on understanding. so is it loyalty or the mimicking/imitating of loyalty?Yes. Peer pressure, for example.
Yes.
Most 'family' loyalty is forced because of social programing.
Stub your toe enough times and you'll be loyal to being more careful. Is that force? Yes I think the psyche exerts force on us.
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Piety is active belief and makes us trusting, in that we have a sense of security because we avoid dumb *** foolery.
Can loyalty be forced?
programming vs insight? so which one is trust vs doubtful, its the difference between force as a negative and force as positive.
like when people push your button and people are drawn to something
imo its the difference between a shepherd and a drover. sheep are drawn to the shepherd, where drovers drive before them using fear.negative force being further from source, positive being bringing closer to source,
negative pulls while with positive you have to push
so therefore programing pulls you in and one must push to gain insight
in this algery though sometimes you use both sides of the coin
if you are doubtfull, to pull trust towards as you push out doubt
so in reality there is really no negative or positive or difference as such
philosophy maths, lol
like a rat in a cage
tru, I feel thatimo its the difference between a shepherd and a drover. sheep are drawn to the shepherd, where drovers drive before them using fear.