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Failure of Belief or Believer
- Thread starter Fool
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Depends. Maybe the religion was deliberately setting up the person to fail. In that case, the person's failure is the religion's success.
you can't profit from what you can't control. knowledge is power. controlling resources, information, leads to absolute power
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Defining your terms would be a good start.
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(Since we're playing the non-sequitur game, apparently)
its the slight difference between an idea and the ideal.
ten blind sages touch an elephant in 10 different place. all ten experience it from a different place in space and time.
Which experience(s) is the most valid?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I don't think you understood my advice.
Well, the only way "religion" (what?) could fail at something is if we personify it. Most folks don't seem to consider "religion" to be a person, so no, it can't fail at things. It not an individual capable of behaviors.
I'm implying that those who advocate a religion aren't necessarily in it for the good of other's as self. they're in it for self-glorification and not self-actualization.
so you're suggesting that an idea can't fail, or succeed, until it becomes actualized?
We would need to know the specifics.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
we get to ask the devil .....maybe
no doubt he believes in God
would you call him a failure?
(at that moment when you ask)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Probably the person as there are so many different religions and thousands of different denominations that the person should find something to their liking.
if the belief system is service to "self exclusive" and the observant practices service to others as self at times then fail, or no fail?
if the belief system is service to "All as self" and the observant practices service to self exclusive at times then fail, or no fail?
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean to say.
In any case, you seem to insist on a sharply dualistic classification. I feel the need to warn you that those are rarely very useful and tend to mislead at least as often as they do not.
i'm looking at the action vs the form. there is no absolute form, there is a dualistic action. there is a positive vs negative action. often they lie somewhere on a percentage scale and not an absolute polarity.
unfortunately for those who take the negative path, no person is an island unto itself. with the negative path there must be a hierarchy created. with the positive path there is no hierarchy but only oneness, or balance, equality.
selfishness(-) vs selflessness(+)
both are permissible to a point but at some point the negative path has to revert to a positive and cooperation vs antagonism
Most religions do not even fit this extremely reductionist model you propose, you know.
Not everything fits neatly into an unidimensional scale of "selflessness vs selfishness".
Not everything fits neatly into an unidimensional scale of "selflessness vs selfishness".
actually if you look at a balance; which symbolizes justice, it can. straight and narrow is the WAY, neither to the left or the right. or from the oracle at delphi, "Neither to excess.........". or buddhism, the middle WAY. it is fairly simple. some attempt to make it complicated.
its neither asceticism, nor hedonism, but somewhere in the between
Life is complicated. There is a reason why wisdom is a religious virtue.
with love comes understanding. love isn't delimited to a religion and will never be grasped by the worldly and logically wise.
The understanding of the yoke is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of Love.