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Featured Failed NT Prophecies about the Second Coming of Jesus

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jun 4, 2018.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    You really need to tone down the green ink. And try to find reliable sources for who wrote the books of the New Testament. Just because some ignorant fool claims that Matthew wrote Matthew does not mean that is who wrote it. Matthew was almost certainly dead when that gospel were written, second he probably did not have the education to write it in the first place.
     
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    Reinterpretation after the prophecy failed only tells us that the prophecy failed.
     
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    Matthew 24:34 Common English Bible (CEB)
    I assure you that this generation won’t pass away until all these things happen.

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    Not that - THIS.Definition of THIS
     
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    Wow! Green ink used to confirm the failure of prophecy. Nice.
     
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    Who were the authors of the books of the Bible?
    Matthew = Matthew - A.D. 55
    Mark = John Mark - A.D. 50
    Luke = Luke - A.D. 60
    John = John - A.D. 90
    Acts = Luke - A.D. 65
    Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - A.D. 50-70
    Hebrews = unknown, mostly likely Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - A.D. 65
    James = James - A.D. 45
    1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - A.D. 60
    1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - A.D. 90
    Jude = Jude - A.D. 60
    Revelation = John - A.D. 90

    Gospel of Matthew - Wikipedia
     
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    The generation that Jesus is referring to, is the generation that will be alive to see all those things that Jesus has given in prophecy in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

    Matthew 24:34--"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled"

    Note that Jesus is in reference to the generation that will be alive to see all these things in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21
    Be fulfilled.
    Jesus was not referring to the generation of his time, But the generation that will be alive at the time to see all these things come to pass in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.
    We are that generation to see these things being fulfilled.
     
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    The Jesus example and the Paul example are two different things. They can’t be conflated.
     
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    My source is better than your source:

    Why Scholars Doubt the Traditional Authors of the Gospels
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Uh, no. Not with any degree of either evidence or certainty. With the exception of some of the Paul stuff.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    No. You’re torturing meaning.
     
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    Matthew 24:34 Common English Bible (CEB)
    I assure you that this generation won’t pass away until all these things happen.

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    He did not say....

    I assure you that that generation won’t pass away until all these things happen.

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    There is a huge difference between THIS and THAT. I can read THIS and not THAT

    The Lord Jesus was talking to the generation [the apostles and the early church, who were Israelites] not the generation of Americans, Latinos, Canadians, Europeans, Africans or Asians or 67 different generations from the apostles to the present time.

    Matthew 24:34 Common English Bible (CEB)
    I assure you that this generation won’t pass away until all these things happen.
    The question also is - Did they pass away?

    My answer is NO. They are just asleep as the Lord Jesus Christ mentioned in 2 different occasions describing when his followers/friends died, they are just sleeping and many occasions by his apostles describing when a saved individual died, they are just sleeping.

    Death is described as sleep in various books of the Bible, not only in the New Testament but also the Old Testament.

    Daniel 12:2 New International Version (NIV)
    Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

    Job 14:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
    As the water of a lake dries up
    or a riverbed becomes parched and dry,
    so he lies down and does not rise;
    till the heavens are no more, people will not awake
    or be roused from their sleep.

    Psalm 7:5 New International Version (NIV)
    then let my enemy pursue and overtake me;
    let him trample my life to the ground
    and make me sleep in the dust.

    It is because of the Lord Jesus Christ that his early church will not pass away but asleep because God raised him from the dead. If the Lord Jesus Christ was not raised by the Lord God from the dead then his early church would pass away - and this truth is seen in:

    1 Corinthians 15:12-18 New International Version (NIV)
    But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

    However...

    1 Corinthians 15:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
    But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep
    . For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.

    Did not interpret, just enlarged the things you missed due to speed reading. And that's in the Bible.
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    When Jesus said, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled"

    Jesus was referring to the generation, that would be alive during the time when all these things in Matthew Chapter 24 happens and not all of this generation shall pass, till all things in Matthew chapter 24
    Comes to their fulfillment.

    Unto which we are that generation.
     
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    Matthew 24:34 New International Version (NIV)
    Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    Who were the people who was talking to?

    Matthew 24:3 New International Version (NIV)
    As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

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    The whole thing is inside Chapter 24. These things are in the Bible and there should be no distortion what so ever coming from anyone. Unless they want to risk their very souls.

    Matthew 24:3-34 New International Version (NIV)
    As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

    Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

    “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.

    “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

    “Immediately after the distress of those days

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

    “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.


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    We don't need to twist things, it is readable - THIS.
     
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    A generation is "all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively." It can also be described as, "the average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, during which children are born and grow up, become adults, and begin to have children of their own."

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    We sirs, are not part of the generation that Christ was speaking to, when he said:

    Matthew 24:34 New International Version (NIV)
    Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    in the same instance that when the Lord Jesus Christ was describing "this generation" it does not pertain to the present generation when he said:

    Luke 11:29 New International Version (NIV)
    As the crowds increased, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.

    That generation belongs to the time when the Lord Jesus Christ died, buried and the Lord God raised him from the dead - hence the sign of Jonah.

    This present generation is different from the generation during the time of the apostles because this is what how he describes that generation:

    Luke 11:50-51 New International Version (NIV)
    Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

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    You know there are people like yourself, that can not handle being showed their error.
    But it still stands, That Christ Jesus was in the talking about a future generation when Jesus said ( This ) generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled"

    Jesus was not talking about the generation at his time, But a future generation that would be alive to see all these things being fulfilled in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and
    Luke 21 and the book of Revelation.
    We are that generation.
     
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    It's easy to see that you and other people can not handle being showed your error.

    There are no failed Prophecy, All your doing is taking things out of context and trying to make them seem a failed Prophecy, Unto which there is no failed Prophecy.
    Jesus was not talking about the generation of his time, But a future generation, that would be witness to see all those things happening in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 and the book of Revelation
    We are that generation to see these things come about, just before Jesus second coming.
     
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    Matthew 23:36
    Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

    Matthew 24:34
    Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    Mark 13:30
    Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    How sure are you that "Jesus was not talking about the generation at his time, But a future generation that would be alive to see all these things being fulfilled" and "We are that generation.."???

    Because the things were not fulfilled in "the generation" which the Lord Jesus Christ was referring to? So you purposely bend that "this generation" is some future generation not 500 AD, not 1000 AD, not 1500 AD and not even 2000 AD but "We are that generation" But hey there's more not even your would be grand children's generation.

    I think that is a screwed interpretation. I believe the Lord Jesus Christ was referring to the generation when he walked the earth. He wasn't a liar, although people in the false churches would purposely twist things around and make the Lord a liar. Now that is really not good for these people.
     
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    Jesus wasn't in the OT except as prophesied.
     
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    He was not even there. The point was that the Tyre prophecy, though not the failed prophecy of the OP, is still a failed prophecy.
     
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