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Fact check: Trump’s speech on border ‘crisis

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by sun rise, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Fact check: Trump’s speech on border ‘crisis’

    Executive summary: a few less lies than average I think but still full of crap.

    Is there a growing crisis? - NO

    A "pipeline" for drugs? - Most comes in in trucks etc which the wall would not do anything about.

    "Thousands killed" - Distorted.

    Did the Democrats request steel? - lie

    Would Mexico pay? - lie

    Did Schumer ever support a border wall? - misleading

    "One reason and one reason only" - lie

     
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  2. ecco

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    Nice summary.

    RE:
    Executive summary: a few less lies than average I think but still full of crap.
    I think one reason for that is that his staff constrained the contents of the speech and he didn't ad-lib. Both of these were evidenced by his obvious discomfort reading the teleprompters.


    Typing that reminded me:

    Trump breaks his own rule, uses teleprompter - CNNPolitics
    Trump's use of teleprompter comes despite his long-standing stated position that presidents shouldn't be allowed to use them.

    "I've always said, if you run for president, you shouldn't be allowed to use teleprompters," he said to applause during a rally back in October in Georgia. "Because you don't even know if the guy's smart."​
     
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  3. YmirGF

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    Good thing that UpChuck and Nancy beat this so soundly into the ground during their time #OccupyingthePodium extravaganza following the Trump spiel
     
  4. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Actually they really didn't spend much time on this, mostly focusing in on the fact that they want the shutdown to stop and that their solution of having better technology and personnel would be much better and much less expensive. The could have done what's in the OP but they only mentioned a couple of items briefly.

    IOW, the fact that Trump lies a lot is pretty much a "gimme" by now.
     
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  5. Estro Felino

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    But not as much as Hillary does...
    Hillary pretends to be a heterosexual woman...to begin with
     
  6. Sunstone

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    You do pass along the cutest lies. Where do you find them all?
     
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  7. Orbit

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    This is just nonsense.
     
  8. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    Don’t feed the trolls.
     
  9. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    yeah....you that restlessly spew hate towards the POTUS are a candid soul...right?
     
  10. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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  11. ecco

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    It's not spewing hate, it's expressing extreme disgust towards an extremely disgusting person.
     
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    Source? Evidence? Fact-check sources say you're wrong, so can you prove yourself right?
     
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    Immigrants (legal/illegal) come to America for work.
    Mexicans come to America to work on republican-backed Big Agriculture farms (huge corporations).
    They come because they're offered work.
    You will not see capitalists stop the flow of immigration due to capitalist policies.
    If Mexicans learned that these mega corporations weren't hiring them anymore, then they wouldn't have a reason to come to America.
    The very nature of capitalism prevents republicans from doing anything about the problem.

    Cut off illegals working on farms = Labor costs skyrocket. Capitalists won't allow that.
     
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  14. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    The comment was directed towards me, and I deliberately did not respond. You guys of course have every right to do so, it is an open forum. But I would appreciate it if you didn’t. There is no point.
     
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