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Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Solve et Coagula, Feb 11, 2006.

  1. Solve et Coagula

    Solve et Coagula New Member

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    Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
    Mon Jan 30, 11:37 AM ET
    http://news.yahoo.com/

    Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.

    They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.

    These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor." (Don't forget that Dubya supposedly wrote in his diary that night "We have just had another Pearl Harbor"- If anyone believes that King george wrote that all by his lonesome or even wrote it that night, I have a bridge for sale in the AZ desert)

    They believe that this White House is incapable of investigating itself and hope the possibility that Congress might hold an unaccountable administration accountable is not merely naive or wishful thinking.
    They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.

    If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.

    They hope this might include The New York Times, which, in their opinion, has repeatedly failed to exercise the leadership expecedt from our nation's newspaper of record by a series of inexplicable lapses. It has failed to vigorously investigate tainted elections, lies leading to the war in Iraq, or illegal NSA spying on the American people, major unconstitutional events. In their view, The Times might compensate for its loss of stature by helping to reveal the truth about one of the great turning-point events of modern history.

    Stunning as it may be to acknowledge, they observe, the government has brought but one indictment against anyone and, to the best of their knowledge, has not even reprimanded anyone for incompetence or dereliction of duty. The official conspiracy theory--that nineteen Arab hijackers under control of one man in the wilds of Afghanistan brought this about--is unsupportable by the evidential data, which they have studied. They even believe there are good reasons for suspecting that video tapes officially attributed to Osama bin Laden are not genuine.
    They have found the government's own investigiation to be severely flawed. The 9/11 Commission, designated to investigate the attack, was directed by Philip Zelikow, part of the Bush transition team in the NSA sector and the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. A Bush supporter and director of national security affairs, he could hardly be expected to conduct an objective and impartial investigation.

    They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.
    Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholar find profoundly troubling:

    * In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

    * The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

    * Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?

    * Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

    * Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

    * Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

    * Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

    * A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?

    * A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

    * The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?

    Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.

    These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."

    UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA James Fetzer 218 724-2706
     
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  2. jeffrey

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    Now this is starting to get old and insulting. Maybe if you lived her you wouldn't be so nonchalant about the deaths of over 3,000 lives. Maybe you never saw the photographs of the firefighters who survived. Or the families of those who didn't. To think All you post is anti-American propaganda that's not worth the electricity used to view it on your pc.
     
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  3. jeffrey

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    And apparently you never saw footage of the building collapse. There were NO explosions. It collapsed straight down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. :rolleyes:
     
  4. ChrisP

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    Could you please provide something other than News reports and propaganda? I'm prepared to listen to ANY theories on anything as long as you want to discuss it rather than just cutting and pasting what someone else has already said.
     
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  5. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus Staff Member

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    Unfortunately, Solve et Coagula seems to be a 'dump and run' poster (although I was beginning to think he had changed).:rolleyes:
     
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  6. ChrisP

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    Hahahah "dump and run" *mental image*

    (I'm feeling silly today :) )
     
  7. Darkdale

    Darkdale World Leader Pretend

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    It's just a lot of nonsense. A lot of people just like to turn heads by saying idiotic things and that watching everyone's heads explode. :)
     
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  8. jeffrey

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    I guess when you think the National Enquirer and the Sun are 100% accurate publications, 'The truth and nothing but the truth'... What would you expect? :D
     
  9. jeffrey

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    LOL! I like that too! Michel, you've coined a new RF phrase! :biglaugh: Makes mental note to remember phrase
     
  10. ChrisP

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    I won't need a mental note! the image is now a permanent mind-smile
     
  11. greatcalgarian

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    I have not seen any one giving a point to point rebute to those points raised in the OP, be it dump and run or what. Perhaps I am too stupid, and cannot see the logic and arguement against those rasied?
     
  12. greatcalgarian

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    Have you watched the movie in another post?
    http://911lies.2truth.com/
    Where the building collapse was compard to buidling demolition with explosive. That's right, it collapsed straigth down, and only controlled domolition can do that. If not properly done, explosive may have caused the tilting over and collapsing of the building, for example, if caused by airplane slamming into it.
     
  13. Bishka

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    You must spread some Karma around before giving it to jeffrey again. Dang.
     
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  14. Bishka

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    And do you really think that President Bush would do that? Obviously you do because you don't care, you don't live here. Like I said in the other thread, he is a good man, has good intentions, just slightly sidetracked. He would never bomb/missle/whatever anything on US soil. I suggest that you get a grip and start showing us some real evidence instead of propoganda from angry US citizens who didn't want to go to war.
     
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  15. Ardent Listener

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    Anyone read any news reports about Batboy lately?:bonk:
     
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  16. jeffrey

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    Apparantly, gc, you did not see REAL footage. The building did not collapse when the planes hit. It took the inner structure to be destroyed by the extremely high temps of the fire. It then, after almost an hour, started collapsing. NO explosions. I know you want to believe so badly that piece of garbage that was posted. Please, show just a little common sense. :tsk:
     
  17. ChrisP

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    It happened, and people died because of it. That is the tragedy here and questioning whodunnit forever and a day will not change the fact that it happened. The world moves in it's own manner ignoring the concerns of men.
     
  18. CaptainXeroid

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    That's because the 'points' raised in the OP are fabrications of some conspiracy theory wack-job.:bonk: Click here for an article that references some experts in the field of design and construction that explain how the towers collapsed straight down. Please remember they jet fuel fires placed a unique set of stresses on the towers that had never been experienced before.

    The BBC found people with the same name with no proof that they had found the same people alleged to have been the hijackers.

    Click here for 'Professor' Fetzer's website. As you can see, he is a Democrat and derives his notoriety from stirring up conspiracy theories.

    Any way...unless the thread starter returns to substatiate some of his outrageous claims, I think I'll be adding him to my ignore list.
     
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  19. TashaN

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    All what americans wanted is a well cocked prey to put the blame on using the pictures of the families who were affected by that.

    Is it the hypocrisy within? or that they are so emotional?

    I believe they missed somthing there? Will the government made it easy for the terrorists to target the buildings? Who knows?

    I just know that i saw by my own eyes in the newspaper of people whom the USA governments claimed they were from the killed "hijackers" but it turned out that they lost thier passports and have been stolen from others, some in saudi arabia and the other while they were in thier visit for USA and Saudia Arabia tried to tell the US government about those "alive" people but as far as i know, they got no response.
     
  20. greatcalgarian

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    I never said it collapsed immediately after the plane hitting it. You might like to believe the high heat temps of the fire destroyed the inner structure leading to the collapse. However you obviously have not read the your so called "conspiracy theory" point of view of how the tower collapsed, especially the WT7. Hope you spend some time reading the details before believing completely the story by the Popular Mechanics. Do more research:
    http://www.st911.org/
    Read what the professor
    [font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]James H. Fetzer[/font]
    [font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Distinguished McKnight University Professor
    University of Minnesota Duluth
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    [font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]said: http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/[/font]
    Including the Theologian Professor Emerictus David Ray Griffin http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
    and also Professor Steven E. Jones Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84604
    http://www.d.umn.edu/%7Ejfetzer/Why3Dec13.pdf

    Then you may want to compare those arguement by Fetzer, Griffin and Jones against the US official government explanation such as:
    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
    http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/Media_Public_Briefing_040505_final.pdf

    And then go back to read more on some support of the US official story:
    http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
    From University of Sydney, Civil Engineering

    Then other professor's view:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
    And more questions that were left unanswered:
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_media.html

    I have wasted or spend at least one month's nightly time going through all the documents, and I am still searching for an answer. The answer given by both sides are not 100% valid, but definitely it is not as simple as the steel soften under immense heat...:D
     
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