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Exodus was not in Egypt

Tumah

Veteran Member
Here is some interesting linguistic magic
So exciting...

Potamus means River in Greek, but split it into PO and TAM

Etymology
Uncertain. Most commonly explained as related to πῑ́πτω (pī́ptō, “to fall”). Could also relate to πετάννῡμι (petánnūmi, “to expand”)
ποταμός - Wiktionary

So, I'll need that source about Potamus being a compound word of PO and TAM.

TAM DAM YAM ( Dialects )

AM BAM GAM DAM HAM WAM ZAM ḤAM TAM YAM KAM LAM MAM NAM SAM ‎ʕAM PAM ṢAM QAM RAM ʃAM θAM (Dialects)

The first part PO that is פֶּה ( Mouth ) or opening
That says peh, not PO.

פֶּה יָם
פֶּה דָּם
פֶּה אדם
peh yŭm
peh dŭm
peh adm

You haven't proven that the Hebrew letter /y/ becomes the Greek letter /d/ when it changes languages. Perhaps it becomes the Greek letter /p/? It's only because you want it to turn into a /d/ that you believe it does.

An example of proof would be:
שלש - ʃlʃ three in Hebrew
תלת - tlt three in Aramaic

שמנה - ʃmnh eight in Hebrew
תמניא - tmnya eight in Aramaic

שש - ʃʃ six in Hebrew
שית - ʃyt six in Aramaic

Here we've established that the Hebrew /ʃ/ (ש) often (but not always) becomes the Aramaic /t/ (ת)

δημόν (Dhmon) means country-district, country, land

Jeremiah 23:8 - The North Country '
shall dwell in their own land (Dhmon)
"their land" is made up of the word for land admh and the suffix for third person, masculine θm - admθm. What is the point you are trying to make here? That they both have the sounds /d/ and /m/ in them?

The English word mark must be a cognate of the Hebrew word mr bitter, by that logic.

צָפוֹן (Tsaphon) is cognate with Greek χῶρον (Khopon ) ' North-west Wind'
Greek Word Study Tool
www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H6828
Uhm... that's pronounced khoron, not khopon.

Tsaphon means "north". Khoros means north-west or north west wind.

Here is a task for a Hebrew

How do you write 'North West' in Hebrew ?
צפון - tsŭfon (north) (/ts/ is a digraph representing one letter)
מערב - maʕarŭv (west)

Because of its placement on the border of Israel, the word ים - yŭm 'sea' is also used to mean west.
So tsŭfon maʕarŭv or tsŭfon yŭm would both mean North West.
 
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Magus

Active Member
Etymology unknown = Open to suggestions

S and T interchange between Aramaic and Hebrew, therefore
שֶׁלֶג shalag (Snow) = תְּלַג tĕlag (Snow) = χάλαζα Khalaza ' Hail ' Sleet
שש shesh ( Six ) = שית Sheth (Six) = ἕξ Hex = Six

DI VO ( Linear B )
- ZEV ( Greek )
- IOV ( Latin)
- YEV ( Hebrew)
- TIW ( Norse) ( Tuesday )
- DIV (Sanskrit)

עֵבֶר `eber * 'ὑπέρ' Huper * beyond , *Over
בְּרִית (Bhrith) 'ῥήτρα' (Rhtra) * written agreement
'רָפָא' (Rapha) Therapeia * to heal
אַבְרָם (Abrm) πέρα * wanderer
אַבְרָהָם (Abrhm) εὕρημα * discover

Numbers 1:2
רֹאשׁ נָשָׂא (Ruth-Nsa) ἀριθμός ' arithmetic
 
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Magus

Active Member
Seven is interesting, in Latin it is 'Septa , in Greek 'Hepta but in Phoenician
it is 'Sheba

Three, in Greek 'Treis'
TRS > TLS ( תְּלָת) - SLS ( שָׁלַשׁ )

υἱοῦ' ( Viov ) - υἱῶν (Vion) - בֵּן ( Ben )
PIE root *bheve

פְּרִי 'pĕriy' ' Fruit'
Gk 'φορά (Fora)
φέρω(Fero) Fruitful
Fruit, Pear and Apple

חָרוּץ ( charuwts ) * Gold
χρυσίου ( Crysiou )
Carat * measure of the fineness of gold

שְׁאוֹל/shĕowl * place of rest
γαληνιάω ( Galhniaw ) * place of rest
*Kel, a concealed place ... Hell.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
In Hebrew, the word mṣr means 'strait' or 'boundary'(the root means to constrict). The Hebrew aim at the end corresponds to the Arabic aan indicating duality. Plural is indicated with im (without the a). The Biblical name for Egypt is MiṢRaIM (where the capital letters indicate Hebrew letters and lowercase indicates diacritics). There are a number of theories about the name. If you take the meaning of the word mṣr then you get dual-strait or double-boundary. If you take the name as is, it means dual-Egypt which may have to do with the land being divided into an upper and lower region.
In some of Egyptian hieroglyphic texts, eg Pyramid Text, they do describe Egypt as “Two Lands”, and before these lands were unified as one land under one dynastic rule (1st dynasty, starting around 3050 BCE).

Before the 1st dynasty, which Egyptologists and archaeologists have labelled as the pre-dynastic period, from about 4000 BCE to about 3050 BCE, the two lands - Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt - were ruled by separate lines of kings. Each (pre-dynastic) kingdoms have -
  • their separate capitals Pe (Lower Egypt), and Nekken (Upper Egypt),
  • their separate crowns - the Red Crown or deshred (Lower), and White Crown or hedjet (Upper),
  • separate patron goddesses - the serpent goddess Wadjet (Lower, from the city of Dep) and the vulture goddess Nekhbet (Upper, from the city of Nekheb),
  • and the papyrus plant symbolised the Lower Egypt, while the lotus signified Upper Egypt.

What they have in common was the state god - Heru, or the more recognisable later Greek spelling - Horus. Horus was originally a state god and the sky god, appearing and worshipped as the hawk or falcon.

Both kingdoms worshipped the same god, and usually symbolised their rule by adopting the name “Horus” to their own. And sometimes you would see artwork, in which Horus wearing the white crown or the red crown.

This tradition of taking up the mantle of Horus, continued into the later dynasties; the Egyptians saw their rulers, both pre-dynastic and dynastic rulers as incarnations of Horus. And beginning with the first king of the 1st Dynasty, not only did they unite the two lands into one, but also the two crown into a single crown - the pschent or Double Crown.

As I stated earlier, the Pyramid Text (2375 - 2184 BCE). These hieroglyphs of texts were found in the inner chambers of pyramids for Unas, the last king of 5th dynasty, and several pyramids of the 6th dynasty (Teti, Pepi I and Pepi II). But hints of the earlier, pre-dynastic customs found their ways to their times, revealed that nothing were forgotten.

I have not understood why the ancient Hebrew author(s) of Genesis, would call Egypt, “Mizraim”, until now.

Thank you, Tumah. Your reply was most informative and insightful. :)
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
Sorry, magus, but by the time the Greeks began writing, like that of authors such as Homer (flourished around 8th century BCE) and Hesiod (early 7th century BCE), they were already calling Egypt - “Egypt”, not “Mizraim”, centuries before the Jews began translating the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, hence long before the LXX Septuagint.

Egypt was a Greek name. And in Homer’s time, he was most likely unaware of Mizraim, of Genesis and Exodus.

The Greeks even have a myth of where the name Egypt come from - Aegyptos (Aígyptos, Αἴγυπτος), whose great, great grandmother was the heroine Io, who came to Egypt as a refugee. Aegyptos come from the myth of Danaus, supposedly his brother, whose his descendants were named after him, the Danaans, the name for pre-Hellenic Greeks.

I am not saying that the myth of Danaus and Aegyptos is true, but before the translation - before the Septuagint - the Greeks would have never used “Mizraim”.
 
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