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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Magus, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. Mohsen

    Mohsen السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

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    Who as the same religion as terrorists?

    Alexander the Great (Dhul-Qarnayn) as an entire chapter in the Quran is dedicated to him. ( Surah 18 Verses 83:101 ).

    Alexander the Great in the Quran - Wikipedia

    Allah
    אל עליון
    ὁ̂ ἡλίου
    Helios

    You worship a Greek God.
     
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    Pihahiroth is a pure Hebrew word with a definite article in the middle of it.

    פִּי הַ חִרֹת

    It is possible it's related to Phaethon ( Φα έθων )

    Pa-Ethon ' Burnt mouth , Ethon , from αἴθω ( Burning heat ) that
    is related to אַתּוּן (Atun ) and תַּנּוּר ( Tnur ) .

    It was Phaethon's flaming chariot that plunged into the Eridanos and this name sounding suspiciously like Jordan.


     
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    Phaethon ( Φα έθων ) would be פי אש or פיאשון or פישון
    Aethiopia ( Αιθιο πα ) is reversed אשפי or אשפיון

    The word Paradise can be derived from Hebrew, פרדאש ( Paradesh ) for that is how Eden was watered, see Gen 2:6 that begins with אֵד from אוּד ' Firebrand ' .

    אשפרד ' Hesperides '

    Genesis 13:10
    Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all around of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah the vineyard, even as the garden of the LORD
     
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    Hmm... so you think Exodus was made up?

    I looked up

    פִּי הַ חִרֹת

    in Google translate and it said, "You're yelling." With a space it was "Her mouth pierced." You are telling me but you are not proving it to me. I'm not saying I'm not too stupid to understand, but nevertheless you are telling me and not proving to me.
     
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    Google won't translate Ancient Hebrew.
     
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    Well, I am an objectivist so I guess that means the Egyptians didn't pursue the Israelites!
     
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    Archaeologists have found many of the places mentioned in Exodus. If anything archaeology helps confirm Exodus. It certainly does not disprove it.

    I'm not sure where people come up with all these crazy theories to disprove Exodus. Exodus happened exactly as written exactly when it was written to have taken place.
     
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    Egyptology have utterly destroyed the Exodus , there is no evidence what-so-ever , It as being debunked over and over again

    "The Great Pyramid was created before the 'Earth' was apparently created and Dinosaurs were created by Satan to fool people "

    Go ahead and put a date on the Exodus, it won't work.

    Jews do don't care, most Rabbi's believe the Torah stories are allegorical , but Jews are generally more intelligent then Christians, demographic fact.
     
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    Exodus 14:2 -
    2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pi-hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baal-zephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea.
    The Exodus Route: Migdol "Watchtower" (this website isn't that bad)
    Migdol was a watchtower and they were all over Egypt.
    Baal-zephon was a Canaanite storm God suggesting they were before Canaan.
    It was also an Island apparently.
    If it was between Migdol and the Sea, and over against Baal-zephon,
    couldn't it be outside of Egypt, at least to them?
    If it was outside of Egypt, or promising of Exodus from Egypt, couldn't the Hebrews have named it "Burnt Mouth or White Mouth" in their language? Perhaps it was considered outside of Egypt because it was on the beach.

    I understand that it was commonplace for ancient people to name places they passed, regardless of if they had other names already.
     
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    Also, even false statements contain information.
     
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    Songs 4:7 - Migdol of Lebanon
    Joshua 13:27 - the valley, Betharam, and Bethnimrah, and Succoth, and Zaphon

    צָפוֹן ' Saphon ' means North , but also a wind-direction but more importantly
    Saphon is the Ugaritic or archaic name for Mount Hermon

    The Hebrew word exists in the Greek language, as χῶρον meaning 'the North-west wind '
    in Hebrew 'Yam Saphon ' ( 'Yam Suwp ) YAM also means West.

    Suphah also means storm-wind

    www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5492
    Greek Word Study Tool

     
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    Are you sure you got that verse right? (Songs 4:7)
    And even if there are Migdol in Lebanon, doesn't it still just mean "Watchtower?"
     
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    If it Songs 4:8, since I cannot find a Hebrew translation, can you show me which word means Migdol or just answer my second question?

    From Wikipedia Migdol - Jeremiah referred to a "Migdol" in Egypt, (Jeremiah 44:1) an island in the Nile, and Ezekiel referred to the Migdol of Syene, in Upper Egypt, in the context of the seat of government. The letters of Šuta refer to a "Magdalu in Egypt" which Albright identified with Jeremiah's Migdol. [1]
     
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    Migdol that is also written Megiddo or Arm-Megiddo ( Tower of Syria )
    and that is the origin of the word Armageddon

    Zechariah 12:11
    The mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

    The word valley, in this verse is 'בִּקְעָה biq`ah' that is exclusively used to describe Coele-Syria also named Beqaa Valley

    Beqaa Valley - Wikipedia

    This might be the Migdol
    Kamouh el Hermel - Wikipedia
     
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    OK now answer this post.
     
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    You are smarter than most of the people on this thread, but judging from their reactions your material does not seem airtight.

    Migdol just means tower and there were some in Egypt.

    From Wikipedia Migdol - Jeremiah referred to a "Migdol" in Egypt, (Jeremiah 44:1) an island in the Nile, and Ezekiel referred to the Migdol of Syene, in Upper Egypt, in the context of the seat of government. The letters of Šuta refer to a "Magdalu in Egypt" which Albright identified with Jeremiah's Migdol. [1]

    פִּי הַ חִרֹת

    could be a name the Hebrews made up for themselves as a landmark.
     
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    Jeremiah 44:1

    Egypt - Mizraim - Between Two streams * Beqaa Valley
    Tahpanhes (Daphne) - port-town in Antioch (on of Orontes)
    Pathros - 'country of Cedar Trees' - Phoenicia
    Noph - Nephtoah * Joshua 15:9 - Syria-Lebanon

    Here are the wikipedia pages on these places, nothing, no one can geographically identify them.
    Pathros - Wikipedia
     
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    There is also an Heliopolis in Lebanon too
    Baalbek - Wikipedia

    Amos 1:5
    I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.

    That word AVEN in the Septuagint usually written as 'ἡλίου πόλεως
    that is Heliopolis.

    'Plain of Aven ' ( Aven in Beqaa Valley )

    Amos 1:5 also puts Eden in Lebanon as does Ezekiel
    in 31:16 ' all the trees of Eden , the choice and best of Lebanon'
     
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    We are still uncovering geographic names as data comes in, but I wouldn't count M-Tz-R-A-I-M in that list, since like Mohsen said that is what it is called today.

    I don't care if there is a Heliopolis in Lebanon. I am sticking to the subject. I don't have time to litigate the whole Bible, but if people think something is interesting I am happy to go through one subject at a time.
     
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