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Existence.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Feb 5, 2015.

  1. chinu

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    At the time during your sleep you don't exist in the world which is all around your body. But, very well you know that at that time you exist in the world of your dreams.

    Why doesn't this proves that your existence has no relation with the existence/non-existence of your body ? or why doesn't this proves that you will Exist (Somewhere/wherever) after your death ?
     
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    Why would it prove those things?
     
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    But, why do you think it wouldn't ?
     
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    Are you saying that dreams are independent from the physical processes that occur during sleep?

    You may not be consciously aware of your surroundings during sleep, but the physical functions of consciousness are still in operation, albeit in an altered state. Your argument can only work if you can somehow show the content of dreaming as independent from brain function.
     
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  5. Sunstone

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    *yawn* What's the maximum number of questions a chicken crossing a road can ask before reaching the other side?
     
  6. chinu

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    Say it consciousness, or existence. Its one and the same things.
    Rephrasing the Question: Why doesn't this proves that your consciousness will exist after your death ?
     
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    Not quite. Inanimate objects have existence, but they are not conscious.

    I'll simplify my response.

    Dreaming is an altered state of consciousness that occurs in people with still living brains. Since you cannot show dreams as independent from brain function, their content is in no way an indication of dualism.
     
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  8. Kirran

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    Why do you think you don't exist there? Surely you're just no longer aware of being there? Can it be said that a stone doesn't exist, because it's unaware of existing?

    Yes, good debate guys!
     
  9. chinu

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    Actually, this mysterious-answer was entombed by chicken's wife in the sunstone's backyard before her death.
     
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  10. Sunstone

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    LMAO! My next move is to say, "because".
     
  11. Kirran

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    No, no, that's too much, my intellect can't hack it.
     
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    Simple, when you sleep you are not dead.

    Ciao

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  13. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    I wouldn't call it proof, but I think dreams CAN be out of body experiences and evidence that our consciousness can exist outside our body and after our body dies, personally I think my death will be going into a dream and never waking up from it, which makes my dreams very interesting to me, in that they could possibly be a future life in another plane, part of earth, or even other planet. It convinces me that Heaven and Hell are not the only options when we die, that a new life, similar and yet quite different, in a world perhaps more similar to earth than Heaven or Hell, is a distinct possibility.
     
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    You are still in your body when you dream. For one, you react to bodily needs in your dreams. Having to urinate in real life makes me have to go during my dreams, for example. Secondly, you can still hear things going on around your body when you dream. This happens if I fall asleep in front of the television. Then you also have the fact that certain measurable brain states correlate with dreaming. Researchers can also communicate with people during lucid dreams (which was done as far back as 1975).
     
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    Because it all occurs within the brain which is still in and a part of your physical body, which also remains a part of the physical world while you sleep.
     
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    For example: there's a scenario In a dream in which one is falling from a mountain. And while falling from this mountain one trying to catch rope, or tree etc.. to save himself.

    Now, according to you this whole scenario occurs within the brain, which means that his Brain is busy in designing this whole scenario. Now, if Brain is busy in designing this scenario, than which Brain/intelligence is providing the idea of catching any rope, or tree etc.. to save himself in this scenario ? (One Brain cannot work for two different scenarios at a time)

    Or, there's one more brain inside the brain ?

    I hope, if you could catch this subtle point.
    :)
     
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    Why don't you consider the catching to be a part of the scenario?
     
  18. chinu

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    One brain cannot do two things at a time.

    For example: You are designing a video-game.
    You cannot design and play that video-game at same time. Designing and Playing need two different time periods.
    :)
     
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    Sure, but the scenario generally comes from the subconscious. So you can be both experiencing the scenario, and doing things in it, while it's being created.
     
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    Am talking of designing the scenario instead of experiencing it.
    Of course, experiencing the scenario, and doing things in it is possible. But designing and experiencing isn't possible at the same time because subconscious also need a brain to design and play any scenario.

     
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