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Example: Jews. Christians. Muslims worship the same God of Abraham

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Nov 15, 2015.

  1. Reverend Rick

    Reverend Rick Frubal Whore
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    I said that Jews, Muslims and Christians worshipped the same God.
     
  2. Crypto2015

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    You said that you cannot sit by your right hand and that, therefore, the Trinity makes no sense.
     
  3. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I don't say that. Perhaps others do say that.
     
  4. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist My baby niece

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    I was replying to what you said about people describe god but god cant be defined.

    Did you say that?
     
  5. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Yes. God cannot be defined -- only described. Howerver, each description is only a partial desription.
     
  6. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist My baby niece

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    Wouldnt you say (and my over all point) people's description of god (human vs spirit etc) doesnt define god's nature?

    If god is unknownable, how would people get a partial factual description? Maybe based on Their understanding but all three use discriptions for one being; one truth.
     
  7. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist My baby niece

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    I think what I ask is, how do you correctly describe the nature of god at all? (Excluding christ now)
     
  8. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Descriptions aren't factual. They're metaphorical. God isn't fully knowable -- and no knowledge of God is factual. I think God can be partly known and described. And truth is partial truth --and only from one's POV.

    You seem to be asking for absolute and objective evidence, and, of course, there is none.
     
  9. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    "Correct" in terms of what standard?
     
  10. Unveiled Artist

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    How can you describe a unknown god?

    Regardless of each religions descriptions, they all focus on thing.

    One Creator

    Is that creator different based on differ descriptions of the three religions?

    Or.

    Can each religion prove their religion defines the nature of an unknown god-given they say they dont believe (describing) in the same one?
     
  11. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    God isn't completely unknown.
    The descriptions are different.
    There is no proof or definition.
     
  12. Unveiled Artist

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    What are the parts that are known?
    Are these parts different 'based' on descriptions?
    Or are they based on the actual nature of god not descriptions?

    Whats the basis of each defining a different god?

    Their descriptions?
    Their claim to know his nature in part? (If so, how?)
     
  13. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    It isn't about "parts." God isn't in "parts." God is One.
    Descriptions are based on experience.
    Those experiences are based on the interaction of our nature that is God's nature, with the world around us.
    Different perspectives foster different descriptions.
     
  14. Unveiled Artist

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    Going back to the original question, I agree but I am seeing these experiences no matter how different coming from one god not three. These experiences (excluding the jesus/god christianity) look entirely the same from One Creator, One God of Abraham.

    Unless one tells me the details of their faith, which of course is different, the actual experiences of that one god/creator mirror each believer. They are not aliens to each other.

    That key is that one creator. Details "about" him aside.
     
  15. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Well, you're correct, of course. Since all three come from the same source mythos, we really are talking about me three faces of a polyhedral God.
     
  16. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist My baby niece

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    Yes. Thats all I meant in the OP. Since religion is personal in nature, for some its hard to see that connection.
     
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    More importantly, religion is communal in nature, and it's the result of having communal values imbedded in the spiritual self-stories, as well as the exclusive nature of communities, as they relate to each other, that makes it difficult to see beyond the particular cultural hermeneutic and to supplant the greater truth with the particular cultural metaphors that speak to that truth.
     
  18. Unveiled Artist

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    Personal, not as in individualist belief, but personal as in its your own belief within the community "of like minds." Outside of that communion, in some religions, it is not shared. Its private/personal faith whereas other religions like evangelical ones are highly public.

    Another question.

    The nature of god is described differently in all three faiths. Basically, each religion's god is different because each god made decisions that conflict with each other.

    Taking out god's decisons and him being human, what about god's nature makes different a Muslim's god vs a Jew's god? If not for their text, what makes person's god different?
     
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    The nature of god is described differently in all three faiths. Basically, each religion's god is different because each god made decisions that conflict with each other.

    Taking out god's decisons and him being human, what about god's nature makes different a Muslim's god vs a Jew's god? If not for their text, what makes each person's god different?
     
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    I totally agree that the Christian god is different from the G-d recognized by Judaism.
     
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