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Exact Young Earth Age?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by dorsk188, Aug 10, 2005.

  1. Fade

    Fade The Great Master Bates

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    But since you claim that god wasn't hiding fossils then these must have aged naturally. Which means they have been lying there for 2 million years.
    You contradict yourself more than any person I've ever debated...its absolutely hilarious
     
  2. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    I'd say that you need to prepare for a crude awakening then. I will repeat my questions which you have avoided answering.

    Prove it. All of the evidence is against you.

    The Bible is nothing but simple mythology--no different from the writings of ancient Egypt and Homer. Perhaps we should look for direction in this complicated reality in those manuscripts as well? I imagine Zeus and Osiris are getting quite antsy at the lack of attention they've been recieving in these last thousand years or so.

    Personally, I'll stick with science. Good old verifiable, observable, and testable science. ;)
     
  3. painted wolf

    painted wolf Grey Muzzle

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    How can my history be 10,000+ years old but have only existed for 6000????
    why would god lie to my people about our history?
    Just who were all those people who never really lived and why would god put them there to mislead us?

    wa:do
     
  4. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    Reverse engineer it, Fade. Forward engineer it. However you do it, it comes out 6000 years.

    My car is 7 years old, but it's made of parts that are millions? of years old. How old is my car?
     
  5. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    The fossils exist, doesn't that count? Are you going to make up your own definition of "existence" to fit your purposes too?
     
  6. Fade

    Fade The Great Master Bates

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    Speaking of Catch-22 AV1611

    Do you not think that a literal interpretation of the bible is a catch 22 in itself?
    This is what you are saying.

    "I believe the bible is the literal word of God"

    To which I will reply

    "Prove it"

    To which you reply

    "The Bible says so"

    Do you not see the problem inherent in this?
     
  7. michel

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    You'd better have some strong glue then, because science changes all the time. They'll always making statements, then readjusting their figures. True science can only observe what already exists.
     
  8. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    No, it doesn't. Large organized civilizations of humans, such as the Egyptians, the Greeks, etc., do not usually date past 6000 years or so, give or take, but humans themselves and simpler civilizations existed long before then. Not to mention the animals they came from, etc. Your idea of "adding up the patriarches", as they are found in the Bible no less is simple balogna.

    Your car is 7 years old. In the case of the Earth, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and is made of parts which are much older than that. How old is the Earth?
     
  9. Fade

    Fade The Great Master Bates

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    You can't reverse engineer the 'Word of God'. You are making presumption about things that the bible doesn't claim to have the answers too by refering to the bible. Your argument is nonsense.
     
  10. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    That's the beauty of it. They never claim to know all there is to know, like religion, and they are able to change with new discoveries...unlike religion which just denies them.

    And true religion cannot observe anything.

    Again I ask, where does it say in the Bible that the Earth has age "embedded" into it?
     
  11. michel

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    Yes, I see a problem with the above conversation. It's called Circular Logic. I would never relpy to your question though, by saying "The Bible says so." That's too simplistic. The Bible is a closed system, immune to outside criticism. It is more than capable of defending itself.
     
  12. michel

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    It doesn't. It simply states the facts, and I assume we're smart enough to conclude how the facts are arrived at, right?
     
  13. Fade

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    The bible is a closed system? Hmmm...tell that to the chaps that edited it then.

    Anyhoo, how would you reply to my question then?
     
  14. Ceridwen018

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    That's what I thought.

    Honey, the Bible doesn't state ANY scientific facts! In all seriousness, the Bible has a very long history of screwing up big time when it comes to trying to explain science.

    By reading the Bible and then ignoring reality as we create our own fantasy land where the Bible can exist as truth without any confliction? I propose that we first instigate an "embedded age clause". Wait...you already did that!
     
  15. michel

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    Fade, rather than argue this ad infinitum, would it be too much to ask you to check it out for yourself. Just get a calculator and add them up. They add up to just over 6000 years. What's so hard about that? Or better yet, find a Bible or book that has the figures already added up for you. No muss - no fuss.
    That'll tell you how long the Universe (not just the Earth) has been in existence. Now if you want to know how old these rocks and such are, well, the Bible is silent on that; but if you're that curious, get a geology book and find out. Assuming they're all in agreement (which they aren't).
     
  16. painted wolf

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    hang on I'm still waiting for answers to my questions back on page 7!!:sarcastic

    and from page 9:
    wa:do
     
  17. Ceridwen018

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    Why is it so hard for you to recognize that the Bible is obviously wrong? All of the evidence is against you. Like every other work of Mythology, the Bible was never intended to present scientific facts of any kind!
     
  18. michel

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    You mean like the Bible mentioning the Hittite Empire when scientists swore it didn't exist, until just recently when it WAS found? You mean the Bible mentioning the empire of the Medes when scientists swore it didn't exist, until just recently with it WAS found? You mean the Bible mention dinosaurs co-existing with man, when scientists swore they didn't, until just recently when it WAS found. You mean the Bible mentioning the "seven stars" when scientists swore there were only six (in the Pleiades), until Galileo invented the telescope and proved otherwise?
     
  19. michel

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    Science is constantly verifying Scripture. Their initial theories are usually against the Bible, but usually they end up verifying it when all is said and done.
     
  20. Ceridwen018

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    No, thats not what I mean. These things all deal with historical archeology and the like, which is a science, but its not the type of science I meant.

    Before I explain what sort of science I'm talking about, allow me to first explain something to you. Science is based on observation. It is only to be expected that scientists would deny the existence of something until they had seen it, and the fact that they denied the existence of those civilizations, even though they were mentioned in the Bible, until "recently" when they were discovered just shows that the scientific method works and is consistent. Don't believe everything you read, AV1611.
    Please show me your sources for this.

    There are actually 9 stars in the cluster--they were both wrong. Good thing science is able to change and adapt to new discoveries. I suppose that you will just have to deny the existence of the other two stars, or make something up that says the other two are just an illusion that god put there and they don't really exist.

    http://www.messier45.com/
     
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