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Evolutionary advantages of rape in a species

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by jasonwill2, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. jasonwill2

    jasonwill2 Well-Known Member

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    What evolutionary advantages of rape in a species are there? I have thought on it some in the past, but would rather not post my opinion on it.
     
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    Evolutionary advantages would probably be summarized by getting more babies if you rape more women. Not that it would be moral in any way, though. Evolution is an extremely amoral process.
     
  3. jasonwill2

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    I'm curious as to what the advantage of the co-evolution of the female and male genders of the species would be with the traits needed to avoid and get away and fight and pin down respectively.

    They have observed this in some species of duck I believe.
     
  4. Alceste

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    The evolutionary advantage to females selecting from a number of males for a mate is ensuring a good genetic match and strong offspring. In general, males don't attack females, they fight each other for access to females to mate with. The females look on from the sidelines going "Ooh, look at the antlers on him! I'll have me some of that..."
     
  5. jasonwill2

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    But is there not some physical advantages to the skills, speed, and strength needed for the rape co-evolution of male and female as seen in a number of duck species? Why else would they evolve as such otherwise?

    Ducks
     
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    Why presume an evolutionary advantage of this or any other type of violent deviant behavior?
     
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    Its mostly like an unstable system and would hurt more then provide benifits.
     
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    Evolutionary advantages of rape? That's ridiculous! Didn't evangelical scientists
    recently prove that women secrete special anti-pregnancy juices when raped?
    Thus, it would result in no offspring. Hmmm.....unless.......women rape the men.
     
  9. jasonwill2

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    Guys! I'm talking about rape in species like ducks! I'm not talking about with people or I would of stated so!

    Because it is so rampant in some species of animals, such as ducks with whom their genitalia have literally evolved to rape better or to better escape rape. Your idea of "deviant" has not reality as far as natural selection is concerned. Did you know that at least a third of all sexual intercourse with ducks is rape? And that instances with ducks committing necrophilia has been observed?

    Necrophilia among ducks ruffles research feathers | Education | guardian.co.uk

    WARNING NEXT LINK HAS A PICTURE OF DUCK PENISES

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11764-female-ducks-fight-back-against-raping-males.html
     
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    It would depend entirely on the species in question. I don't know enough about ducks to comment on them specifically. I'm a plant person, not an animal person. :shrug:
     
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    Seems to me you might find it difficult to prove a charge of rape against these apparently inconsiderate male duck lovers. First we would need to establish several points of crucial evidence, such as: What was the she-duck wearing? Had she been drinking? What was her sexual history? Did she do anything the he-duck might reasonably have perceived as flirtatious? Without a detailed and thorough examination into the character and behavior of the she-duck, it would be impossible to determine whether or not she was "asking for it".
     
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  13. jasonwill2

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    Lol. xD

    But in all seriousness, the "the victim is on trial" mentality is really, really flawed, disgusting, and sick. I do not advocate or condone rape, I am simply pondering if it has any evolutionary advantages in non-human animals, as some species have evolved around avoiding rape or more successfully raping.

    Though I'm pretty sure that the duck in question was forced because the girl ducks try to get away.
     
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    What are the evolutionary advantages of primate species flinging their feces?
     
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    The key question I see here is:

    At which unit of selection?

    On the individual level, rape represents a clear evolutionary advantage: one can spread one's genes without regard for the usual restrictions of sexual selection.

    That we aren't reduced to indiscriminate killing and raping is testament to our eusociality, the headache of evolutionary biologists - and psychologists - the world over.
     
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    But primates didn't evolve their organs in different ways to more effectively through feces or avoid being hit by thrown feces.

    But there are species that have evolved in different ways in response to rape. if you don't believe me, refer to my links earlier in the topic.
     
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    Sociobiological theories of rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We should keep in mind that lesser animals don't possess the capacity for reason or empathy. They don't contemplate consequences, they just act upon impulse.
     
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    Good link, I'll make sure to read it later when I can.

    Some of the more intelligent species feel some form of empathy, but not really ducks.
     
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    That is true, especially of dogs.
     
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