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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:06 AM.

  1. Fool

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    The mind is a dynamic thing. In fact it's an idea, that doesn't have a static form per se. Some see it as being attached to a brain but that isn't necessarily so for plants and bacteria that have consciousness.

    As a species wouldn't a mind have to adapt its belief system to represent it's current state because of a change in the environment?

    And if it did change, how would it be changed?
     
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    What makes you think that plants and bacteria have consciousness? Perhaps you better define your terms. You may be using your own definition. By the definition that most people use they do not have consciousness.
     
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    Several scientific studies are leading to the understanding that plants have a consciousness and feel pain. Here's an article.

    https://www.learnmindpower.com/article/do-plants-have-consciousness/
     
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    Mind and Brain are not separate entities according to science. Consciousness does not have to have a central location which is how plants can have it without a brain and indeed in humans consciousness does not have to only occur in the brain or mind.

    While belief is important I know of no studies that call it a system of the brain or mind, although I have weak theories I would not promote them as of yet.
     
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    i agree that electrical pathways are necessary for consciousness but a brain isn't. electricity is a basic component of the universe. in bacteria communications acts similarly to neural cells in brains for passing information. however electrical impulses are necessary for both to occur.


    electricity is essential for consciousness. a brain isn't.

    Biologists Discover Bacteria Communicate Like Neurons in the Brain

    We don't know that the bacteria as a collective doesn't have as much consciousness as a dog, an ape, a human.


    just like a clonal grove of trees is only one tree, there may be more than what appears to be on the surface.

    many ancient systems liken consciousness to a serpent. the ida, pingala, sushumna, and kundalini.

    Electricity throughout the Universe - Electric Universe
     
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    Several studies have suggested there are 3 possibly 4 conscious centers in the human. The Brain, Heart, Stomach and Lungs this is all new understanding but they still link the mind to the brain. Consciousness in science does not equate to mind. Mind for right now is basically the software/machine language behind the brains hardware.

    Edit:Sorry missed the point, which is Belief is part of our software not necessarily any other mind.
     
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    consciousness isn't exclusive to higher mammalians.

    i'm using mind in all its aspect; especially in the metaphysical aspect; which western science can't study under control. like another poster stated some studies are based solely off of observation and without control groups to compare against. like anthropologists studying the behavior of chimpanzee, orangutans, gorilla, or tribal groups.

    the software analogy is a good example. you take ten programmers and give them a program to write, they are going to create variations of the physical based on the same logic. they will give the variables and possibly constants different names.

    the idea/logos/concept is the same but the actual/realized/practical will look different in form.
     
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    if you got access to religiousforums.com, you've got access to google.com.

    there is a ton of research out there. i'm no one's personal librarian and this isn't a peer reviewed, scholastic website.

    best wishes on your journey
     
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    You just admitted that you lost.

    When you make a claim the burden of proof is upon you. When you make an extraordinary claim you need extraordinary evidence. So far you have no reliable evidence.

    If I claimed that Bigfoot was real then the burden of proof would be upon me. You have made a claim about intelligence. Where is your valid evidence?
     
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    i'm ok with losing; especially if you're in need of winning.
     
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    I have no need. You made a claim that is based upon woo. I pointed out your shortcomings and you tried to attack me rather than supporting your claim.

    That indicates that you know that you are wrong, but wish that you were right. An honest debater would support his claims.
     
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    There is no western vs Eastern version of a definition for consciousness. At best it's a mistranslation at worst it's a hijacking of a term to their own ends. When really the eastern philosophy is describing something like "rudimentary awareness". When the definition of consciousness is able to include the sensing a thermostat does then the term has been hijacked to mean something else.
     
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    I've done my research you could do the same if you are interested. Any research papers I have to pay to view on-line. I have in the past gotten free copies at the library they exist but I not going to the library for you.
     
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    Conscious is not exclusive, Belief is exclusive to humans. I have only found a few papers linking belief to certain apes and none of them have scientific consensus.
     
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    I don't really understand the question.

    I agree that the brain is physical, while the mind that inhabits it, transcends the physical, into the realm of the metaphysical. Just as man is an animal, and yet the being that inhabits the animal also transcends it, to become something more: to become human. And yet we have not fully transcended the physical, to the metaphysical. We are still suspended in between; existentially connected to both, but fully rooted in neither.
     
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    I just grabbed the first article I found, I have read several research papers on the matter and the consensus is growing but not complete.
     
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