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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by nPeace, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Wild Fox

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    I am saying that the intelligent of Neanderthals was never supported with any evidence in the past. Yes it was taught wrong if that was stated because there was no evidence to make those claims. But here is the beauty of science. Views change as evidence is accumulated and ideas questioned. That is the way science works.
     
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    To learn from God's creation means that God is the creator. The world tells me that God is the Creator, that He caused life to appear on the earth, that He is the originator of human life, and animal and p
    I am not hijacking the thread. You and Dan are. I was asking Dan a question as to the validity of his belief in one thing and then in direct contradiction, another. You're the one stoking up a word storm. Jesus spoke of creation, not evolution, as to how life came about, I am not going to discuss much more about that point here. But yes, I did and do wonder how a person claims to be a Christian and then says he believes in evolution. Christ spoke of creation.
    To Dan...Jesus spoke of a Creator. The Bible says he came from Adam. Jesus spoke of Noah. Do you believe Jesus or do you believe he just didn't know the truth and so followed and taught myths? Answer that and could be the discussion is over.
     
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    There's no real evidence to support fish emerging into landcrawlers. Or bacteria growing into forms that become trees. No recordings, no written documents, no visual aids insofar as the burgeoning changes. In fact, the idea that writing began after how many years of those smart neanderthals interbred is absurd. How many years were the now- considered smart neanderthals said to be on the earth before the homo sapiens emerged? Only surmises about it all coming about by evolution.
     
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    My position is that there is a Creator with intelligence that caused life to be as we know it. Jesus believed in the Creator. I believe Jesus. If I believed in the ToE I'd literally be saying that Jesus was misled. If I went further than that to say I am a Christian but believed he was misled and mistaken, then it would be as you say, propounding bad fruit.
     
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    What specifically about the ToE leads you to believe its being true means Jesus was misled?
     
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    Views certainly do change, don't they? And now here's another one:
    "According to a study by the University of Tübingen and New York University (NYU), Neanderthals may not have been as clever as previously supposed. The experimental archaeology project found that a wood tar used by the cousins of Homo sapiens as a glue to construct tools didn't require as complex a process as once thought, suggesting that Neanderthal tool making isn't necessarily evidence of a high level of cognitive and cultural development."
    So now they're "not as clever as previously supposed." Can't scientists make up their minds about the poor guys? (Guess not.) Tool-making experiments suggest Neanderthals may not have been as clever as thought
     
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    Odd that so many scientists believed for so long that Neanderthals were just plain real dumb.
    Here's another little quote about that by scientists recounting the days (years) that they taught Neanderthals were real dumb:
    "Archaeologist Metin Eren from the University of Exeter said: "Our research disputes a major pillar holding up the long-held assumption that Homo sapiens were more advanced than Neanderthals.''
    Major pillar upholding the long-held assumption? My, what does THAT mean? (Not too many ways to get around it.)
    Then he says, "When we think of Neanderthals we need to stop thinking in terms of 'stupid' or 'less advanced' and more in terms of 'different'."
    Oh? WE need to stop think in terms of stupid or less advanced? Really? :) 'We' meaning ... well, it's open :)
    Neanderthals: not stupid, just different (Now they weren't so stupid...)
    Yet -- it is well admitted by many that it is a long-held assumption. Long-held assumption? Really?? Guess? Conjecture? Assumption?
     
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    Now you are finally starting to get it. The creation shows that evolution is correct no further argument.
     
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    You were just starting to understand then you ignore all of the evidence. There are fish that are "landcrawlers" here in our world today. The clear evidence shows walking catfish have a variation of the gills that allow them to breath out of water. So much for the first statement.

    Bacteria growing into trees? You have absolutely no understanding of the theory of evolution with this absurd statement or worse intentionally using a comparison of bacteria to trees to mislead. What makes you statement worse is this is followed by no recordings (where is the video of a bacteria changing into a tree before my eyes), then now written documents? Oh my bacteria cannot read or write? That's an intelligent argument. But wait there is more. Where are the visual aids? Exactly what visual aid other than the enormous evidence supporting evolution could you possibly need!

    What is it with you and Neanderthals? Homo sapiens were around for a long time before written language and there are societies that still have no need for written language. Your own article showed how tool making which clearly requires intelligence was exhibited by Neandertals. It was only homo sapiens centered arrogance that could not accept any other form of life to be intelligent. So get over it. Evolution is the only explanation that has the evidence and it obviously bothers you.
     
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    I don't think so. So let me get this straight from you -- Are you saying that man (in the form of "homo sapiens") came about without an Intelligent Designer who made man by choice with His direction (not from morphing from some unknown common ancestor also linked with Neanderthals and possible ancestors of bonobos, etc. without having designed the "first man" and woman in the form of -- what is called "homo sapien")? If you have trouble understanding the question, let me know please.)
    Let's do it again. Jesus spoke of Noah as a real person, not a mythological account. Granted that many religious people claim to worship God by Jesus Christ, and claim to be Christian while at the same time saying the Bible account is based on myths. That 'appears' to be rather hypocritical, saying one thing and out of the other side of his mouth or head, saying something in direct contradiction to that.
    I have not seen an evolutionist conceive of the reality of that Biblical account, or support it. Jesus surely did. Jesus did not indicate he thought it was a myth. I am only quoting what I know to be the words of Jesus as recorded in the Scriptures. If you don't believe he said that, that's another discussion. The discussion at hand is when someone claims to be a believer in Christ and then doesn't step up to the plate to say he believes what Jesus taught. Smacks of hypocrisy to me. Maybe not to you.
    So let's go again with Christianity, myths, and evolution. Here is what Jesus said: (or for you, is said to have said):
    "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark." (Matthew 24.) Jesus spoke certainly as if he firmly believed that the flood in the days of Noah happened -- he didn't say it was a myth.
     
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    Bacteria didn't grow eventually into trees with leaves and bark? I mean according to the ToE didn't the unicells change upon billions of years and evolved into -- animals and plants? No? One thing at a time.
     
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    Nothing to prove that non-walking fish evolved into landcrawlers. Nothing. There are fish that don't walk on land, they stay fish. There are fish that have the ability to crawl on land. Nothing to show these evolved from some common ancestor.
     
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    This article still supports that they made and used tools which takes intelligence. We do not know all of the Neanderthals of social behavior. They may have had more or less complex social interactions. And yes in science there are disagreements which cause others to rethink and retest to make the theories grow with accuracy instead of a stagnant book which you are unwilling to question.
     
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    Now you get it. We came from a common ancestor of as all apes did including you. You have no evidence of an intelligent designer other than your own limitation to understand the evidence. There is no morphing about it, It took genetic change which the evidence shows.
     
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    I used to believe in evolution. I certainly do not know everything, but I have come to not only question evolution, but realize that it's conjecture based on appearance and fossils. I'd love to know how they figure homo sapiens have "Neanderthal dna" in them, perhaps you know more about that and can offer an explanation. I used to believe everything they said. Now I do not.
    What's with me and Neanderthals? A couple of things. Scientists and others (artists and comic writers, even dictionaries) have depicted for a LONG TIME Neanderthals as being real dumb, not all, of course, using the term dumb, but it takes me back to eugenics and scientists expositions that some races of current mankind inferior to others. Want to go over that again?
    The more I examine the ToE here and in scientific journals, the more I see opinion. The Bible makes sense. Pure, unintelligent morphing does not. With or without contaminants.
     
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    Now you get it. We came from a common ancestor of as all apes did including you. You have no evidence of an intelligent designer other than your own limitation to understand the evidence. There is no morphing about it, It took genetic change which the evidence shows.

    Lets get this straight someone who never heard Jesus speak wrote that Jesus spoke of Noah. No one knows if that was ever true. Of course the bible is full of myths. Myths are used in all religions to teach values. It is like someone asking where is the moon. And accepting the pointed finger to be the moon.
     
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    The Bible is not stagnant. You can say it is, but that does not mean it is. I'm not here particularly to discuss the Bible, but rather to examine the ToE. So I wasn't sure if you believe in Jesus as depicted in the Bible, but I guess I can safely surmise you do not. You don't claim to be a Christian, do you?
     
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    Again no one knows if Jesus even said that because he did not write it down. You do not know for certain what was in mind of Jesus.
     
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    I was raised Christian but yes I no longer consider myself Christian. That is another topic if you like but unless you have a bible growing in pages with new information then yes the bible is stagnant. Those Christians willing to learn beyond the words in the bible understand that there is no conflict between evolution and Christian faith.
     
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    I'm beginning to think you really don't understand what I am saying. I am saying what evolutionists believe (not what I believe any longer). You don't claim to be a Christian, do you? Someone here does and also claims to believe in evolution. THAT is what I am discussing. It's almost like an election, who you gonna vote for? I haven't heard so far that in a election here in the U.S., one can vote for two or more candidates running for the same office. It's one or the other, no combination of candidates for the same position.
    Jesus did not combine evolution with creation. If some want to think or believe he spoke of myths and believed and taught them, that's up to them. But it doesn't jibe with evolution.
    "“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’" That's what Jesus said. (Mark chapter 10.)
     
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