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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by nPeace, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, he sure does.

    Look at all of the -pro-ID research churned out by top-notch ID scientists:

    Vol 2019

    AMAZING! 3 whole "research" articles for the ENTIRE YEAR (2019)!

    Can't complain about 'censorship' - this is the flagship Intelligent Design creationism science journal!

    But I digress -



    You must have missed this:

    Color me intrigued:


    Please explain, without paraphrasing or plagiarizing a YEC/OEC website, and support with documentation, how apoptosis is a logical/real barrier between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution.

    And please start by defining microevolution and macroevolution - but be forewarned, macroevolution is not an event, despite a tendency for many creationists to indicate that it is.
     
  2. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    I won't waste time on "debate" videos, but I do wonder if the creationists bring up their new/old nonsense about 'not enough mutations'...
     
  3. Subduction Zone

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    I listened to part of it and it is not bad. Unfortunately the creationists as usual had their rear ends handed to them.

    And you were right on that the two liars were the creationists. It is amazing that creationists do not call out those on their side when they are caught lying. But then they know from experience that they lose any honest debate.
     
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  4. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    If you read that quote carefully, you'll notice something....

    That something, is that all scientists agree that the cambrian explosion happened.
    Which means that they agree that many of the main branches of life, phyla, evolved in a geologically short period of time, from 40 to 80 million years.

    The "disagreement" (quotes because it's not so much that they "disagree", it's rather that there are still open questions and unknowns), is about what exact circumstances were at play which made it possible.


    But again, there's no disagreement concerning the fact that it happened.
    All the evidence, shows it happened.
     
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  5. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    Well, it's definatly not you.
    I noticed the same thing, as I'm sure others did as well.
     
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  6. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Let me try:

    “Why did the Cambrian explosion happen when it did, and why was it such a unique event? While there is no current consensus among scientists, most researchers agree the explosion cannot be ascribed to a single, simple causal mechanism. The potential triggers can be classified in three main categories: environmental, genetic, and ecological. Deciphering the impact of each of these factors remains one of the most important challenges faced by palaeontologists today.”


    So weird that merely highlighting things other than you chose to shines a very different light on the issue.

    Also, of note, unlike creationism, real science actually, you know, tries to find things out:


    What sparked the Cambrian explosion?
     
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  7. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    special pleading
    You moved the goalposts or made up an exception when your claim was shown to be false.
    Humans are funny creatures and have a foolish aversion to being wrong. Rather than appreciate the benefits of being able to change one's mind through better understanding, many will invent ways to cling to old beliefs. One of the most common ways that people do this is to post-rationalize a reason why what they thought to be true must remain to be true. It's usually very easy to find a reason to believe something that suits us, and it requires integrity and genuine honesty with oneself to examine one's own beliefs and motivations without falling into the trap of justifying our existing ways of seeing ourselves and the world around us.


    Huh....

    Now THAT looks more like special pleading to me....
     
  8. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Weird that they can come up with lengthy post after lengthy post of quotes supposedly supporting their anti-evolution rhetoric on a whim, yet when asked to specifically address one of their own claims....

    crickets...
     
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    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there are issues with peer review.

    Yet even a flawed system is head and shoulders above merely accepting the veracity of things because it jibes with your worldview.



    So, you admit to believing things solely because it fits your beliefs.

    Got it.
     
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  11. nPeace

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    Thank you. There goes discussing one thing at a time with something specific, other than just mere claims.
     
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    Really? I didn't get that impression from your constantly repeating it.
    I'm glad though, because I no longer have to bear with it.
     
  13. Subduction Zone

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    Please rudeness and ignorance are a bad combination. If you do not understand something ask when it is posted. Don't expect others to do your homework for you and dig up old posts.

    And you have to know what a Gish Gallop is, either that or you are extremely lazy. I am pretty sure that @Audie has berated you for that abuse in the past.

    Getting smug because you got caught being lazy is rather foolish behavior.
     
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  14. Subduction Zone

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    Try being polite if you want answers. I know it must be frustrating being wrong all of the time, but there is a cure for that. It is called "education" .
     
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  15. Audie

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    Stick to discussion of factoids ifn ya want to set a example
     
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    In science we'd call that a proven theory.
     
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  17. Audie

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    It might be coz them creos go te quote mine central
    and cur n paste, have no idea of what they are talking about?

    or want, is this news of the rather well known..?
     
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  18. Audie

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    He can explain how quick frozen mammoths are proof of
    the flood, so, I expect he can explain this too.
     
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    Except this is how it actually reads in more direct English:
    [20]O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge, ...

    IOW, the word "science" wasn't known back then even in Hebrew or Greek, nor was there any such word for it. It seems that the Bible your leaders have you using has a rather clear-cut "agenda".

    That fine as far as faith is concerned, and I read the scriptures 7 days a week. But the scriptures simply are not objectively-derived statements of evidence that is the basis for science. Likewise, science doesn't help us with our faith per se.

    IOW, they cover different areas and use different techniques.

    Sorry that I get "fired up" at times. Even this doesn't justify my harsh words as this is something that hits me to my very core because of how I grew up in the past and how so very difficult is was for me to abandon the fundamentalist church I grew up in and loved. But the simple fact is that I was being lied to, and when I realized as such, I had no choice but to leave that church. And this wasn't the only area where they were lying to us, btw.

    Anyhow, sorry for my being so direct and rude, so please accept my apology.
     
  20. Hockeycowboy

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    Yeah! In moderation.

    H(some "reasoning" on the Scriptures, about that topic: Jesus' first recorded miracle was turning water into wine. It makes no sense to then say, we shouldn't enjoy some from time to time!
    But the Bible does condemn drunkenness.
    If you put it together....enjoy, to a point.
    OK, enough of that!)

    There for a while, I was getting into Killian's Red, I really like the Amber beers.
    I've got a Yuengling Amber in my fridge now.

    You like the stouts? You mentioned British beer...reminded me of Guinness.
     
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