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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by nPeace, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    If science was there the claim would have been investigated, researched, tested, etc.
    Not take on blind faith.
     
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    Yet here you are trying to convince people otherwise...
     
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    You deny everything that you see appears to challenge your beliefs.
     
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  4. Subduction Zone

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    You really should not bring up "foolish old wives tales". And no. I did not flee the science question. You lost that debate. You refuse to deal with the evidence. Probably because you do not understand even the concept of evidence. Until you learn the basics it is impossible for you to see your errors. Are you saying that you are ready to have a discussion on the basics of science? If so I am more than happy to do so.
     
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    It does. You seem to be unaware of how badly Luke messed up with his 'census' claim.
     
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    That is not history. That is myth from a holy book.
     
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    You are conflating history and mythology again. There are no spirits in history. There are plenty of spirits in mythology.
     
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    Just as a matter of interest, why is this astounding miracle not recorded in the synoptic gospels?
     
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    Your source does not match your link which only has the abstract. Please make your link or the reference to the link much clearer.

    You a link to an article which is clearly in support of the use of statistical studies showing common descent which includes a section that refutes the first link which was supportive of evolution but states the current information cannot exclude multiple origins. Either way both supportive of evolution. If you agree with them then you have finally become an evolution supporter even if you now believe that there were multiple origins.

     
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    So are fairy tales. No one could have saved Rapunzel if she did not have such long hair. Clear evidence for that just like yours. Snow White could not have been woken up from here deep sleep if that had not been prince charming. She woke up from his kiss. What more evidence could you ask for. With your logic in hand all fiction becomes truth and what is measured observed or tested becomes false. Clearly you have gone through the rabbit hole and never come out.
     
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  11. nPeace

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    Sorry about the first link. It somehow got mixed up.
    Nevertheless...
    What is this about "If you agree with them then you have finally become an evolution supporter even if you now believe that there were multiple origins"?

    I have no idea what you are talking about, since you have not verified / clarified.
    I also have not read anywhere in the article, stating that UCA has been verified.
    You also have not quoted anything that supports anything you say.

    If by using the word evolution you feel it somehow bypasses what I am saying, I don't see how that is meaningful, since no Creationist denies evolution.
    So what is your point then?
     
  12. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    So can you explain how DNA sequences came about?
     
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    I've been thinking about this post for a while, now....I've accomplished much of what I needed to get done.
    There's a lot here to reply to; I appreciate your thoughtful points.

    You know, however, that I presented more Flood evidence, than just a Chinese character. Much more....

    If archaeologists recently unearthed an ancient document that spoke of a man, who survived a cataclysmic flood by building a boat that was basically a huge box.... '120 cubits by 120 cubits square, 90 cubits high,' as described in the Gilgamesh myth... there'd be no doubt that it was a fable.

    But, if they found the story described a boat with modern ratios, they would think the story was fact.
    Now, you and I and everyone else knows the story has a supernatural quality to it, events that reveal Divine intervention, in many aspects.

    Let's consider one: the reason behind Jehovah God bringing it on. Genesis 6:1-4 gives a few details...sons of God taking women, "all whom they chose". (And the common thread between the ancient Greek, Roman, Norse, Hindu, etc., myths actually highlight it. Common threads in stories, is where truth is found.)

    If you will please bear with me, I'm going to go off-topic twice, somewhat... but it's all related....

    Is there evidence for the supernatural? Talk to the numerous posters on here (RF), like the Ragin Pagan, or others, who regularly converse with their spirit guides or gods, whatever they call them. I've spoken with Jose Fly, It Aint Necessarily So, & a few others....they stop short of calling these ones, 'delusional'.

    Have you ever read the link I've posted before, on Lincoln's ghost - Wikipedia ...

    Here's an excerpt:
    "Perhaps the most famous incident was in 1942 when Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands allegedly heard footsteps outside her White House bedroom and answered a knock on the door, only to see Lincoln in frock coat and top hat standing in front of her (she promptly fainted).[13]

    British Prime Minister Winston Churchill loved to retire late, take a long, hot bath while drinking a Scotch, and smoke a cigar and relax. There is an account that on this occasion, he climbed out of the bath and naked, but for his cigar, walked into the adjoining bedroom. He was startled to see Lincoln standing by the fireplace in the room, leaning on the mantle. Churchill, always quick on the uptake, simply took his cigar out of his mouth, tapped the ash off the end of his cigar and said "Good evening, Mr. President. You seem to have me at a disadvantage." Lincoln smiled softly, as if laughing and disappeared. Churchill smiled in embarrassment.[14]

    President Lyndon Johnson supposedly encountered Lincoln's apparition, during a moment of great distress. President Johnson reportedly spoke to Lincoln, asking him how he handled an unpopular war (Lincoln was President during the American Civil War, which was extremely unpopular and Johnson was dealing with massive backlash over the Vietnam War). Lincoln reportedly replied "don't go to the theater."

    Lincoln's ghost was reportedly seen outside of the White House as well. In Loudonville, New York, Lincoln's ghost was said to haunt a house that was owned by a woman who was present at Ford's Theatre when Lincoln was shot by John Wilkes Booth. Other Lincoln hauntings included his grave in Springfield, Illinois, a portrait of Mary Todd Lincoln and a phantom train on nights in April along the same path his funeral train followed from Washington, D.C. to Springfield.[15]

    The last sighting of Lincoln's ghost was in the early 1980s, when Tony Savoy, White House operations foreman, came into the White House and saw Lincoln sitting in a chair at the top of some stairs.[13]"

    Were these people, "delusional"?

    Now Earthwide, multiply these experiences, by a million!

    Yes, granted, many (most, even) are faked. But all? No way.

    Why do incidents like this happen? I've heard the explanation, "people want to believe their dead loved ones are living (in another realm) ." Was Abraham Lincoln, a "loved one" of Queen Wilhelmina? Or Winston Churchill?

    And if these dead loved ones are genuine, and it's what people "want to believe"... why is there so much fear involved in cultures that promote ancestor worship? (It touches so many cultures, in some way or another!) I mean, wouldn't your dead G-parents, if they were really living, still love you? Why be afraid of them?

    Because here's the kicker: the dead are dead, they "know nothing", according to the Bible. Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 146:3-4

    The Resurrection is the future hope for the dead, nothing else.

    Saying "the dead don't really die; they go to live somewhere else," is simply reinforcing the first lie, when the serpent told Eve, "You positively will not die"! And this idea is seen worldwide, promoted by almost every religion!

    Aided by these "Ghost" stories. But these ghosts can't really be our dead loved ones, because they "know nothing"; they're dead!

    Who are these imposters, trying to mislead everyone?
    They are "the angels that sinned" (2 Peter 2:4), who "did not stay in their own domain, but abandoned their proper dwelling place" (Jude 1:6)....those "sons of God" of Genesis 6.

    More on this later, I've got to go.
    I hope you're willing to reason on this. It explains why God had to destroy the animals, too. (Please read Matthew 8:28-34.)

    I read the Scriptures about these things, and I see the hurting and confusion that people are experiencing worldwide...I understand who is behind all this mess! (Just a little while longer.)

    The Bible explains a lot, if people would be open minded & try to understand it.
     
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    So a ghostbuster team would have been sent to Daniel's place to detect traces of Gabriel having visited?
     
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    Anytime you want to challenge me on the bible, feel free. Juvenile sniping doesn't cut it.
     
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    Nothing ever actually. You thought anyone saw Satanic origin beliefs?
     
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    Keep pretending all you like. Your posts betray you.
     
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    I have heard the baseless doubts behind what you are trying to say.
     
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    Says you, who have no clue what went down.
     
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    Ignorant claim.
     
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