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Evolution is not observable admits Jerry Coyne

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by *blank*, Nov 15, 2015.

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    The evolutionist Jerry Coyne has written a book called "Why evolution is true". He explains in the book evolution is not observable.

    If you are expecting a book with the title, "Why Evolution is True" to contain proof for the theory of evolution, you will be disappointed. The book is just a list of excuses why evolutionists can’t prove evolution is true.

    Evolution can not be proven becuase nobody has ever seen it happening! Science is meant to be based on direct observation but evolutionists like Jerry Coyne believes in things they can not see.

    "Given the gradual pace of evolution, it’s unreasonable to expect to see selection transforming one “type” of plant or animal into another—so-called macroevolution—within a human lifetime." - Coyne
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Science is based on the best evidence available. That can take different forms.
    Tom
     
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  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian
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    There are aspects of evolution which are observable & testable.
    No alternative meets this standard.
     
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    Have you read the book?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    It has been both indirectly and directly. Google "speciation" for examples of those that have been observed, and even Wikipedia is a half-way decent source on that.

    Also, you sort of misrepresenting what Coyne actually believes, and here is his website whereas you and others can see what I mean by this: https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/
     
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    Makin' a real big leap there, with the "read" stuff.
     
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    I know, it's pretty crazy to expect such a thing. ;)
     
  8. outhouse

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    Welcome to the forum Rome.

    I'm sorry you may not understand this, but evolution has been fact for quite some time now.

    Because it is fact



    I'm quite sure this is typical quote mining out of context so I will address this.

    In most species that is correct you cannot observe gradual changes in a lifetime.

    But some species have been observed changing.


    Thanks for playing but we have years of dealing with this type of rhetoric. Care to try again?
     
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    George-ananda Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    So @Rome Viharo how do you think we came to exist in our current form? Created in one event?
     
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    Fact* of evolution.

    Evolution has been observed on the macro and micro scale, quite a large number of times now.
    There is no further point to this topic of discussion.
     
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    You think it IS reasonable? Why? How many generations are required before meaningful observations are available? I don't think these natural processes give a damn whether they are operating in a way that makes life easier for scientists or not...

    Anyway, the generational requirements in an effective experiment in this area have us turning to short-life span lifeforms, such as...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
     
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    I direct you to my previous entry, regarding the chances of such an endeavor bearing any fruit.
     
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    Yeah, well...as much as we go hive mind sometimes, I'm clearly the optimistic part, and you're the...err...less optimistic part.
     
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    Microevoultion is observable. How do you think Macro-evolution comes about?

    It's just Macro-evoultion thats not observable due to the immense amount of time it takes for radical changes in speciation that's dependent on environmental and biological factors.

    Evoultion is undisputed fact. Sorry Charlie.
     
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    Around 1970 I was in the 6th grade. My science teacher, a Catholic nun named Sister Lucy, told me all about evolution.

    She said it.
    I believe it.
    That settles it.
    Tom
     
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    Welcome, RV. I see you've hit the forum running.

    So the major premise of the OP is false, but also irrelevant. There's a lot more evidence for evolution than direct observation of speciation.

    Do you believe species have changed over time at all, or are we just disagreeing over the mechanism?
     
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    I wonder what the author meant by not observable?

    Even though most of the data for evolution is from the past, evolution can still make predictions that can be tested. The reason is that new fossils are constantly being discovered. So evolution might predict that a certain type of undiscovered fossil should exist at a certain time period, and paleontologists can search for that fossil. Finding the fossil confirms the prediction, and not finding the fossil casts doubt on the prediction.
     
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    Macroevolution has not been observed. Yes, i have seen the above articles many times such as the lizards. These lizards just changed size, head shape and colour etc., but they were still morphologically clearly lizards. They didn't evolve into something else: "As a result, individuals on Pod Mrcaru have heads that are longer, wider and taller than those on Pod Kopiste, which translates into a big increase in bite force", head shape changes has also been observed in human populations within historic times, but the end product was still human.
     
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    It was quote mined.

    But many types of speciation are not observable in a lifetime. Some are but OP managed to leave that quote out. HHHMMmmm
     
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