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Featured Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Hockeycowboy, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    There's no where there that's states the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.
    Read it again
     
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    Genesis 7: 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

    2 Peter 3:6-7 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
     
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  3. Subduction Zone

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    There is no "proof that the flood of Noah's covered the whole earth". That is the claim of believers and the claim of Genesis. It does say that it covered the whole Earth:

    Genesis 6 17

    " 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."

    Genesis 7 4:

    " 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

    Genesis 7 19-20:

    '19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.'
     
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    Typically, this devolves into a parsing of the Hebrew word 'eretz.' Sometimes translated as land, other times as earth. Like trying to nail jello to the wall.
     
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    It is pretty hard to cover a "high mountain" without a worldwide flood. Of course I once argued with a KJV only Christian that thought that the original mountains were only 15 cubits high.
     
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    Genesis 7
    Then the the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 I)" And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was" six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.

    17 the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.
     
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    Genesis 7
    Then the the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 I)" And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was" six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.

    17 the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.
     
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    It appears English is not your first language. Can I post it into an alternate language? The Bible comes in all languages.
     
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    The was no "Noah's ark", tho the book plainly
    says there was, and that it flooded everywhere.

    But as noted, you and others like to change it
    to suit yourselves.
     
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    The popularity of "god's" word is largely based on it being
    whatever anyone wants it to be.
     
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    Naturally! Their god always hates the same sort of people they hate.

    Very convenient.
     
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    See # 1178 just above.
     
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    I had to do this in bold, italics and underlined!
     
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    That of 2 Peter 3:6-7, has nothing at all to do with the flood of Noah's.

    2 Peter 3:6-7 is about the first flood which happens million years before the flood of Noah's.

    That of Genesis 7:19 says nothing about the whole earth as being flooded over.

    If the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, Then explain exactly where the Gentiles come from,
    In Genesis 10:1-5,
    Notice verse 5, so if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth as people are taught to, Where did the Gentiles come from?

    1-- " Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

    2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

    3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

    4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

    5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations
     
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    There is no reference to a flood other than the Noah flood, which is central to the theme in the NT. Where does it describe a flood millions of years ago. That is beyond any time reference of the Bible. Also, there is no comparable geologic world flood event that would fit Pau;'s description.

    The references provided were specific to a world flood that covered the highest mountains. You have no coherent response beyond the specific references. What happens if you continue with this line of thinking is that the Bible is is conflicting and has multitude of errors concerning the flood and the creation narrative, which actually close to the truth.
     
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    Most creationists do not seem to understand that killing everything under heaven would include all sea life, all plants, everything. If it was not on the ark, then it was gone, so where did all the plants come from after the flood subsided? Who knows. How did an olive manage to survive when it was stated that all things would be wiped out? Who knows.

    Taking this as literal is a dead end.
     
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    There is reference to another flood besides the flood of Noah's, Throughout the bible.
     
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    What are these other references? Do they mention them being millions of years In the past?
     
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    Well, post some of those references.
     
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    This is pretty interesting and describes the evidence that there was no WW flood.

    Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth

    That is, no multiple worldwide climatic conditions are described in which flooding, then drying to a dry earth, more flooding, more drying to a dry earth, in repeated cycles that occur over and over again in that Flood year. On that basis, it is logical that all the kinds of evaporite deposits and red beds in many different levels in the supposed Noachian Flood deposits could form only in local climates with desert drying-conditions and could not possibly have formed all at the same time — a time when a flood covered the whole earth for more than one year (Collins 2006). On that basis, the Noachian Flood story cannot describe a whole-earth flood, but it could only represent a large regional flood.

    Regional Evidence for the Noachian and Similar Floods
    Two rivers, the Euphrates and Tigris flow through Mesopotamia, which is now the country of Iraq (Figure 1). There are several layers in exposed rocks near these two rivers in southeastern Mesopotamia (Iraq) that are likely flood deposits.

    Most are about a foot (0.3 m) thick, but one is as much as 3 meters thick (MacDonald 1988). Flood debris from this same thick deposit along the Euphrates River near the ancient Sumerian city of Shuruppak about 200 km southeast of Baghdad has been dated by the C14 method, giving an age of 2900 BCE (Best nd).

    Flood deposits 2.4 meters feet thick are also reported by MacDonald (1988) as far northeast as the ancient Babylonian city of Kish (120 km south of Baghdad). At any rate, the many flood-deposit layers show that flooding in southeastern Mesopotamia was not unusual in ancient times.
     
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