Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

[Shad]

Most scientists today think birds are descended from dinosaurs. Have you ever seen the fossilized dinosaur nests? Lots and lots of eggs. There must have been millions of them.

Yup. Although not a major interest I have seen various sources on the subject. When I was young dinosaurs were consider reptilian in representation. The development to the newer models appearance are interesting in itself compared to the green... everything

 

[sooda]

Yup. Although not a major interest I have seen various sources on the subject. When I was young dinosaurs were consider reptilian in representation. The development to the newer models appearance are interesting in itself compared to the green... everything

I wonder.. Reptiles also lay eggs.

 

[Shad]

I wonder.. Reptiles also lay eggs.

I was talking about old ideas of dinosaurs before links to birds became mainstream.

 

[sooda]

Global Flood evidence:

1.Vast herds, comprising perhaps millions of grazing animals, discovered within the muck fields by gold hunters in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright, with food (delicate flowers like buttercups, that only grow in temperate climates) discovered still unchewed in their mouths, like the Berezovka Mammoth. (They died instantly, not from a slow-moving ice age!)

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs Ark Articles/NAS Worldwide Mammal Massacre.pdf

The question is raised — and properly so: “How could a Global Flood cause such freezing temperatures?” Keep in mind, some of the water (not most...most were from the “vast springs” underneath the ground) came from above, from the atmosphere....the troposphere?...the mesosphere?...the stratosphere? The Bible doesn’t say, it is silent. (Maybe from all five.) But the waters above the Earth caused temperatures to be very mild, and pleasantly warm.... similar to a greenhouse effect, worldwide. (That’s why Adam & Eve could go naked, and be very comfortable.) Yes, the Bible indicates there were seasons, but apparently mild ones.

All of that drastically changed, with the break in this canopy! Temperatures would drop suddenly!

2.This project, completed by physics students of the University of Leicester, provides an interesting conclusion:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/university-of-leicester-physics-students-says-noahs-ark-would-have-floated-with-two-each-of-35000-species-of-animal/news-story/a7e558bc25fecf8e2865867579f05479.

And this one:
Could Noah’s Ark Float? In Theory, Yes | Science | Smithsonian

Further information:
Noah’s Ark was the focus of a major 1993 scientific study headed by Dr. Seon Hong at the world-class ship research center KRISO, based in Daejeon, South Korea. Dr. Hong’s team compared twelve hulls of different proportions to discover which design was most practical. No hull shape was found to significantly outperform the 4,300-year-old biblical design. In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable.
The research team found that the proportions of Noah’s Ark carefully balanced the conflicting demands of stability (resistance to capsizing), comfort (“seakeeping”), and strength. In fact, the Ark has the same proportions as a modern cargo ship.


The study also confirmed that the Ark could handle waves as high as 100 ft (30 m). Dr. Hong is now director general of the facility and claims “life came from the sea,” obviously not the words of a creationist on a mission to promote the worldwide Flood. Endorsing the seaworthiness of Noah’s Ark obviously did not damage Dr. Hong’s credibility.

Dr. Seon Won Hong was principal research scientist when he headed up the Noah’s Ark investigation. In May 2005 Dr. Hong was appointed director general of MOERI (formerly KRISO). Dr. Hong earned a B.S. degree in naval architecture from Seoul National University and a Ph.D. degree in applied mechanics from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

3.Coupled with that, the dimensions of the Ark, a 6-to-1 ratio of length to width, and 10-to-1 ratio of length to height, are exactly what is needed for a non-powered vessel of that size to maintain stability! Only in the last 2 centuries have ship builders recognized that this ratio is perfect for non-powered barge-like ships to be seaworthy. This is powerful evidence supporting a literal interpretation: How could Moses have known, in recording the event, that Noah was given such ideal dimensions? Fortunate guessing?

4.The numerous Flood legends (exceeding 250, one anthropologist says near 1,000), that share many similarities, some strikingly so, that indicates a common source.

5.Furthermore, the Bible clearly states, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (Due to the underground waters spewing upward, and the land settling downward.) This would mean the high mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)

6.[related to #5]The marine creatures discovered on the tops of many mountain ranges, even on Mt. Everest — gigantic clams, some measuring 5 feet or more across, found in the closed position, indicating (again) that these creatures experienced a catastrophic event, leading to their quick death. (Clams in natural death, die w/ their shells open.) All remain exposed....if they’re millions of years old, why aren’t they eroded, also? Because these particular ones died at the Flood!!

7.Where did all the water go? Apparently, it’s still here, at the Earth. If we again take into account what Psalms 104 reveals — that it was the Flood that caused our current topography, the very high mountains and low valleys, then the Earth’s terrain was somewhat smoother than now. (And Genesis tells us, the highest mountain was covered by around 22 ft. of the water.) It’s been determined that if the Earth was smoothed out like a billiard ball, the present water in all the ocean and lake basins would cover the planet to a depth of 2.5 miles! More than enough.....yet, scientists have discovered even more water in the Earth’s mantle, estimated to be almost 10 times as much as exists on our surface! So, that presents no obstacle!

8.The Chinese character for "boat" comprises three radically different symbols: 'vessel', 'mouth' (representing a person), and the number ''8'. Why is this significant? Because there were 8 people who survived the Flood in the Ark. Some ancient Semitic person thought the Flood Event was worthy enough, to incorporate it into their language, helping others to remember the Chinese word for boat. They didn't have a Bible to get the idea from, and I doubt Moses knew any Chinese people, to get his writing from!

Are you of the mindset that, when reading about God causing a global Flood, you don’t think He’d use His power throughout other aspects of the event? Or afterwards? Does Jehovah God have to reveal / explain everything He does?


I’ve presented a lot of evidence. Are you open-minded enough, to consider it now?

EDIT: Well, it’s been over a day since I posted, and it’s obvious some simply aren’t open-minded enough; they are so biased even to the point where they attack the poster....me....rather than debate the evidence.

Sad but expected.

This is ridiculous....

 

[sooda]

And that water has been there for billions of years. The Earth was formed by colliding planetoids that had water as part of their make up. There is no way to get that water out of back into the mantle. That water does not help your claims.

Using junk science as evidence for a myth is looney tunes.

 

[sooda]

I was talking about old ideas of dinosaurs before links to birds became mainstream.

Have you ever seen fossilized dinosaur eggs in a nest..

 

[Shad]

Have you ever seen fossilized dinosaur eggs in a nest..

Just displays in museums. Even eggs were linked with lizards far more than birds during the time I am talking about.

 

[sooda]

That's it, in a nutshell. Proving the Bible is accurate.

And BTW, the Flood account is in Genesis, written way before Christianity. So it's really not a Christian thing. It's helping people see the Bible speaks truth in what it says. It also informs us of an Enemy, Jehovah God has, who is intent on misleading people.

The flood myth originated in Sumer and was based on the spring floods that sometimes happened in the Euphrates River Basin. Barges that carried livestock, beer and grain down river towards the Gulf became the "Ark".

 

[Faithofchristian]

The flood myth originated in Sumer and was based on the spring floods that sometimes happened in the Euphrates River Basin. Barges that carried livestock, beer and grain down river towards the Gulf became the "Ark".

Now that's amazing, how you came up with all that
Seeing that there is quite a distance between the Euphrates river and where Noah lived
And not only that, the flood of Noah's didn't cover the whole earth, as people try to say it did and think it did.
As there is no where in the Bible that supports that the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.

If the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth as people try to say it did,

The question is, Where did the Gentiles come from in Genesis 10:1-5, Take note this is after the flood of Noah's,
So if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, Where did the Gentiles come from in verse 5?
Genesis 10:1-5
1--" Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood"

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations"

Notice here in Verse 5, the Gentiles, so if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, As to where did the Gentiles come from?

 

[sooda]

Now that's amazing, how you came up with all that
Seeing that there is quite a distance between the Euphrates river and where Noah lived
And not only that, the flood of Noah's didn't cover the whole earth, as people try to say it did and think it did.
As there is no where in the Bible that supports that the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.

If the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth as people try to say it did,

The question is, Where did the Gentiles come from in Genesis 10:1-5, Take note this is after the flood of Noah's,
So if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, Where did the Gentiles come from in verse 5?
Genesis 10:1-5
1--" Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood"

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations"

Notice here in Verse 5, the Gentiles, so if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, As to where did the Gentiles come from?

Where do you think Noah lived?

 

[Audie]

Now that's amazing, how you came up with all that
Seeing that there is quite a distance between the Euphrates river and where Noah lived
And not only that, the flood of Noah's didn't cover the whole earth, as people try to say it did and think it did.
As there is no where in the Bible that supports that the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.

If the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth as people try to say it did,

The question is, Where did the Gentiles come from in Genesis 10:1-5, Take note this is after the flood of Noah's,
So if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, Where did the Gentiles come from in verse 5?
Genesis 10:1-5
1--" Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood"

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations"

Notice here in Verse 5, the Gentiles, so if the flood of Noah's was to cover the whole earth, As to where did the Gentiles come from?

Of course it does not make sense, but the bible
could hardly state it more clearly that the whole
of planet earth went under water.

 

[sooda]

Noah was from Shuruppak.

 

[Audie]

Absolutely unbelievable! You make things up, quote scriptures that have absolutely nothing to do with the fantasies you've created, and then claim that those who see no evidence to support your fantasies do not have "spiritual discernment." Basically, you are trying to con people. It isn't working.

Who among them does not do that? They all claim god
gives them special powers of infallible bible reading,
and they all are so guided to contradictory infallible truths.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Of course it does not make sense, but the bible
could hardly state it more clearly that the whole
of planet earth went under water.

Well Seeing that you didn't produce what book and chapter and verses in the Bible to support what your trying to say

How's about producing them, that would be a good start

 

[Wandering Monk]

CH401: Vapor canopy

1. There is no way to hold up a vapor canopy of any great extent. (It could orbit, like the rings of Saturn, but that would not cover the earth like a canopy.)
   
   
2. If the canopy began as vapor, any water from it would be superheated. This scenario essentially starts with most of the Flood waters boiled off. If the water began as ice in orbit, the gravitational potential energy would likewise raise the temperature past boiling. When the canopy fell to form the Flood, everything on earth would be poached.
   
   If the canopy began as solid ice in orbit above the atmosphere, its gravitational potential energy would be converted to heat as it fell, superheating the atmosphere well beyond the ability of any life to survive (Brown 1995, 175).
   
   
3. A vapor canopy before the Flood would have made the earth unliveable. The greenhouse effect would have raised temperatures extremely. If a canopy holding the equivalent to more than 40 feet of water were part of the atmosphere, it would raise the atmospheric pressure accordingly, raising oxygen and nitrogen levels to toxic levels.

CH310: Vapor canopy's effect on climate

1. A vapor canopy with more than twelve inches of precipitable water would raise the temperature of the earth above boiling (Morton 1979). A vapor canopy of only four inches of water would raise the temperature of the earth to 144 degrees F. It is worth noting that several prominent creationists agree with this conclusion, yet their close colleagues continue to teach that there was a vapor canopy (Morton 2000).
   
   
2. A vapor canopy capable of producing the global flood would have increased earth's atmospheric pressure from 15 PSI to 970 PSI.
   
   
3. Some creationists try to solve the vapor canopy problems by moving the canopy out of the earth's atmosphere and into orbit. A canopy of orbiting ice would have been unstable (it could only exist in a ring much like Saturn's). It would have cooled the climate (probably just slightly) until it somehow collapsed to cause the flood. Then the release of its gravitational potential energy would have converted all the ice into superheated steam, not into a flood.

 

[Audie]

Well Seeing that you didn't produce what book and chapter and verses in the Bible to support what your trying to say

How's about producing them, that would be a good start

Nah. We've all read it.
And I have seen how you convert everything
to say what you like.

 

[sooda]

CH401: Vapor canopy

1. There is no way to hold up a vapor canopy of any great extent. (It could orbit, like the rings of Saturn, but that would not cover the earth like a canopy.)
   
   
2. If the canopy began as vapor, any water from it would be superheated. This scenario essentially starts with most of the Flood waters boiled off. If the water began as ice in orbit, the gravitational potential energy would likewise raise the temperature past boiling. When the canopy fell to form the Flood, everything on earth would be poached.
   
   If the canopy began as solid ice in orbit above the atmosphere, its gravitational potential energy would be converted to heat as it fell, superheating the atmosphere well beyond the ability of any life to survive (Brown 1995, 175).
   
   
3. A vapor canopy before the Flood would have made the earth unliveable. The greenhouse effect would have raised temperatures extremely. If a canopy holding the equivalent to more than 40 feet of water were part of the atmosphere, it would raise the atmospheric pressure accordingly, raising oxygen and nitrogen levels to toxic levels.

CH310: Vapor canopy's effect on climate

1. A vapor canopy with more than twelve inches of precipitable water would raise the temperature of the earth above boiling (Morton 1979). A vapor canopy of only four inches of water would raise the temperature of the earth to 144 degrees F. It is worth noting that several prominent creationists agree with this conclusion, yet their close colleagues continue to teach that there was a vapor canopy (Morton 2000).
   
   
2. A vapor canopy capable of producing the global flood would have increased earth's atmospheric pressure from 15 PSI to 970 PSI.
   
   
3. Some creationists try to solve the vapor canopy problems by moving the canopy out of the earth's atmosphere and into orbit. A canopy of orbiting ice would have been unstable (it could only exist in a ring much like Saturn's). It would have cooled the climate (probably just slightly) until it somehow collapsed to cause the flood. Then the release of its gravitational potential energy would have converted all the ice into superheated steam, not into a flood.

This is just silly. Flood geology is just subset of Creation Science and is in no way related to geology.

 

[shunyadragon]

Well Seeing that you didn't produce what book and chapter and verses in the Bible to support what your trying to say

How's about producing them, that would be a good start

Genesis 7
Then the the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 I)" And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was" six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.

17 the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

 

[sooda]

1. The Collapse of the Canopy Model | Answers in Genesis
   Environmental Sciencethe-collapse-of-the-canopy-model
   Sep 25, 2009 · The Collapse of the Canopy Model. The proposed models have this canopy fading into history at the time of the Flood. Researchers thought it could have provided at least some of the water for the Flood and was associated with the “windows of heaven” mentioned along with the fountains of the great deep at the onset of the Flood ( Genesis 7:11 ).
   
   • Author: Bodie Hodge

 

[Faithofchristian]

Nah. We've all read it.
And I have seen how you convert everything
to say what you like.

So where's your proof that the flood of Noah's covered the whole earth

As there is no where in the Bible that's States the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth