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Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Global Flood evidence:

1.Vast herds, comprising perhaps millions of grazing animals, discovered within the muck fields by gold hunters in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright, with food (delicate flowers like buttercups, that only grow in temperate climates) discovered still unchewed in their mouths, like the Berezovka Mammoth. (They died instantly, not from a slow-moving ice age!)

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs Ark Articles/NAS Worldwide Mammal Massacre.pdf

The question is raised — and properly so: “How could a Global Flood cause such freezing temperatures?” Keep in mind, some of the water (not most...most were from the “vast springs” underneath the ground) came from above, from the atmosphere....the troposphere?...the mesosphere?...the stratosphere? The Bible doesn’t say, it is silent. (Maybe from all five.) But the waters above the Earth caused temperatures to be very mild, and pleasantly warm.... similar to a greenhouse effect, worldwide. (That’s why Adam & Eve could go naked, and be very comfortable.) Yes, the Bible indicates there were seasons, but apparently mild ones.

All of that drastically changed, with the break in this canopy! Temperatures would drop suddenly!

2.This project, completed by physics students of the University of Leicester, provides an interesting conclusion:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/university-of-leicester-physics-students-says-noahs-ark-would-have-floated-with-two-each-of-35000-species-of-animal/news-story/a7e558bc25fecf8e2865867579f05479.

And this one:

Could Noah’s Ark Float? In Theory, Yes | Science | Smithsonian

Further information:
Noah’s Ark was the focus of a major 1993 scientific study headed by Dr. Seon Hong at the world-class ship research center KRISO, based in Daejeon, South Korea. Dr. Hong’s team compared twelve hulls of different proportions to discover which design was most practical. No hull shape was found to significantly outperform the 4,300-year-old biblical design. In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable.
The research team found that the proportions of Noah’s Ark carefully balanced the conflicting demands of stability (resistance to capsizing), comfort (“seakeeping”), and strength. In fact, the Ark has the same proportions as a modern cargo ship.


The study also confirmed that the Ark could handle waves as high as 100 ft (30 m). Dr. Hong is now director general of the facility and claims “life came from the sea,” obviously not the words of a creationist on a mission to promote the worldwide Flood. Endorsing the seaworthiness of Noah’s Ark obviously did not damage Dr. Hong’s credibility.

Dr. Seon Won Hong was principal research scientist when he headed up the Noah’s Ark investigation. In May 2005 Dr. Hong was appointed director general of MOERI (formerly KRISO). Dr. Hong earned a B.S. degree in naval architecture from Seoul National University and a Ph.D. degree in applied mechanics from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

3.Coupled with that, the dimensions of the Ark, a 6-to-1 ratio of length to width, and 10-to-1 ratio of length to height, are exactly what is needed for a non-powered vessel of that size to maintain stability! Only in the last 2 centuries have ship builders recognized that this ratio is perfect for non-powered barge-like ships to be seaworthy. This is powerful evidence supporting a literal interpretation: How could Moses have known, in recording the event, that Noah was given such ideal dimensions? Fortunate guessing?

4.The numerous Flood legends (exceeding 250, one anthropologist says near 1,000), that share many similarities, some strikingly so, that indicates a common source.

5.Furthermore, the Bible clearly states, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (Due to the underground waters spewing upward, and the land settling downward.) This would mean the high mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)

6.[related to #5]The marine creatures discovered on the tops of many mountain ranges, even on Mt. Everest — gigantic clams, some measuring 5 feet or more across, found in the closed position, indicating (again) that these creatures experienced a catastrophic event, leading to their quick death. (Clams in natural death, die w/ their shells open.) All remain exposed....if they’re millions of years old, why aren’t they eroded, also? Because these particular ones died at the Flood!!

7.Where did all the water go? Apparently, it’s still here, at the Earth. If we again take into account what Psalms 104 reveals — that it was the Flood that caused our current topography, the very high mountains and low valleys, then the Earth’s terrain was somewhat smoother than now. (And Genesis tells us, the highest mountain was covered by around 22 ft. of the water.) It’s been determined that if the Earth was smoothed out like a billiard ball, the present water in all the ocean and lake basins would cover the planet to a depth of 2.5 miles! More than enough.....yet, scientists have discovered even more water in the Earth’s mantle, estimated to be almost 10 times as much as exists on our surface! So, that presents no obstacle!

8.The Chinese character for "boat" comprises three radically different symbols: 'vessel', 'mouth' (representing a person), and the number ''8'. Why is this significant? Because there were 8 people who survived the Flood in the Ark. Some ancient Semitic person thought the Flood Event was worthy enough, to incorporate it into their language, helping others to remember the Chinese word for boat. They didn't have a Bible to get the idea from, and I doubt Moses knew any Chinese people, to get his writing from!

Are you of the mindset that, when reading about God causing a global Flood, you don’t think He’d use His power throughout other aspects of the event? Or afterwards? Does Jehovah God have to reveal / explain everything He does?


I’ve presented a lot of evidence. Are you open-minded enough, to consider it now?

EDIT: Well, it’s been over a day since I posted, and it’s obvious some simply aren’t open-minded enough; they are so biased even to the point where they attack the poster....me....rather than debate the evidence.

Sad but expected.

It is a wel known fact that a wooden boat of that size is not seaworthy, no matter the ratio of it's dimensiions. That renders the rest of the myth moot.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That because you have no spiritual discernment.

The natural man receive not the things of the Spirit of God because they are spiritually discerned

If you had spiritual discernment then you would know that in the book of Revelation the AntiChrist is made mention of

The word antichrist is NOT in the Book of Revelation. Why are you changing it?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Sorry, but people and animals were present across the globe at the time of Noah. Try again. And I tend to believe that the genetic anomaly of people with gigantism (aka Nephilim) was most likely present in many other areas.

The Nephilim didn't drown .. they show up later in Numbers.

Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

2 Samuel 21:20 - And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of [great] stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

2 Samuel 21:16 - And Ishbibenob, which [was] of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear [weighed] three hundred [shekels] of brass in weight, he being girded with a new [sword], thought to have slain David.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The Talmud (Zevachim 113b) actually suggests that Og, one of these Nephilim/giants actually clung to the Noah's ark and lived through the flood, while other opinions suggest that the flood did not affect the entire world (see here as well), and Nephilim survived in the parts of the world that were not affected by the flood.


"Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, Though his height was like the height of cedars And he was strong as the oaks; I even destroyed his fruit above and his root below.” ‭‭Amos‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭NASB
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
There is NO mention of the antichrist in Revelation. Anyone can read it for themselves.. Or, alternately.. if you can prove it, post the verse.

That's all because people like yourself have no understanding or knowledge of Spiritual discernment that's only comes by the Spirit of God.
As it is written---"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
1 Corinthians 2:14.

Therefore in the book of Revelation the AntiChrist is being spoken of which takes spiritual discernment to understand the things of the Spirit of God.

Just because you can't read the book of Revelation not find where the AntiChrist is mention, that's because it takes spiritual discernment by the Spirit of God to see the AntiChrist is being spoken of in Revelation.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That's all because people like yourself have no understanding or knowledge of Spiritual discernment that's only comes by the Spirit of God.
As it is written---"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
1 Corinthians 2:14.

Therefore in the book of Revelation the AntiChrist is being spoken of which takes spiritual discernment to understand the things of the Spirit of God.

Just because you can't read the book of Revelation not find where the AntiChrist is mention, that's because it takes spiritual discernment by the Spirit of God to see the AntiChrist is being spoken of in Revelation.

Are you actually holding yourself up as more spiritually discerning?

Just POST the passage in Revelation that includes the word "antichrist".
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Are you actually holding yourself up as more spiritually discerning?

Just POST the passage in Revelation that includes the word "antichrist".

It's like I said the word Antichrist takes spiritual discernment to understand the book of Revelation, just because you can not read in Revelation the AntiChrist, does not mean it's not there.

It's there spiritually. That by the Spirit of God it's Spiritually discerned.

Of course you have no idea or clue Spiritual discernment means.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
It's like I said the word Antichrist takes spiritual discernment to understand the book of Revelation, just because you can not read in Revelation the AntiChrist, does not mean it's not there.

It's there spiritually. That by the Spirit of God it's Spiritually discerned.

Of course you have no idea or clue Spiritual discernment means.

Just post the verse from Revelation that includes the word "antichrist"..
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Just post the verse from Revelation that includes the word "antichrist"..

Let's see if you can Spiritually discerned this of Revelation 16:13-14, how the AntiChrist fits into it.

Revelation 16:13-14
13--"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet"

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty"

If a person can Spiritually discerned these things in verses 13&14 it's easy to see the AntiChrist being made mentioning of.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Let's see if you can Spiritually discerned this of Revelation 16:13-14, how the AntiChrist fits into it.

Revelation 16:13-14
13--"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet"

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty"

If a person can Spiritually discerned these things in verses 13&14 it's easy to see the AntiChrist being made mentioning of.

The antichrists weren't frogs or spirits of devils. They were former followers of Jesus who didn't believe in the resurrection .. They were a NOW problem for John.. NOT a future problem.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The antichrists weren't frogs or spirits of devils. They were former followers of Jesus who didn't believe in the resurrection .. They were a NOW problem for John.. NOT a future problem.

Who said anything about the frogs or evil spirits as being the AntiChrist.

I said how does the AntiChrist fits into Revelation 16:13-14
So I didn't say anything about frogs and evil spirits
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Who said anything about the frogs or evil spirits as being the AntiChrist.

I said how does the AntiChrist fits into Revelation 16:13-14
So I didn't say anything about frogs and evil spirits

You brought up frogs.. There's no mention of the antichrist in revelation.

Frogs represent unclean spirits (or demons.. or illness like madness or epilepsy)

No cases of demonic possession occur in the Old Testament, and those recorded in the gospels occur exclusively in Galilee, the Decapolis, and other areas heavily populated by Gentiles.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
hockeycowboy said:
Global Flood evidence:

1.Vast herds, comprising perhaps millions of grazing animals, discovered within the muck fields by gold hunters in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright, with food (delicate flowers like buttercups, that only grow in temperate climates) discovered still unchewed in their mouths, like the Berezovka Mammoth. (They died instantly, not from a slow-moving ice age!)

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs Ark Articles/NAS Worldwide Mammal Massacre.pdf

Dishonestly false. There is no such thing as 'millions' of animals discovered in muck fields by gold hunters in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. It is common even today for large numbers of animals to be caught in sudden floods, which are common along glaciers and all over the world.

The plants found in mammoths do grow in the summer along the edge of glaciers today. The glaciers pushed into the temperate regions during the Ice Age.

It would not be unusual animals to die suddenly around glaciers when they fall in ice cracks.
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
ecco: It's not about what they knew. It's about what God knew and what God said.
all flesh - shall die
Its a teaching narrative.. a myth they borrowed from the Babylonians. The story of Gilgamesh is far older and was found in cuneiform tablets in Mesopotamia and in Bahrain. Only in Giglamesh humans annoyed the gods because there were so many of them and they were noisy.
You list your religion as Christian, but you obviously do not believe the Bible as it was written. It seems you just believe those parts you choose to believe and regard other parts as just mythical teaching narratives
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Well if you had read Genesis chapter 6, it was the sons of God that came down and seduced women. These being the fallen angels of Satan's, unto which produce the Nephilim Giants. Which produce the wickedness of man.

There is nothing in Genesis 6 referencing "Nephilim".
There is nothing in Genesis 6 referencing "fallen angels of Satan".

The Bible does clearly state:
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.​

But not the whole earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's.
...
5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations"

So if by your standard the whole earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's.

This is not about "my standards". This is about what is written in your holy scripture.

4For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth​

If this is to be true then how did the
isles of the Gentiles survive the flood of Noah's.
The isles of the Gentiles are living breathing human beings people.

So if the flood of Noah's covered destroyed all life on Earth, then how did the Gentiles survive. In Verse 5 above?

Far be it for me to attempt to resolve the contradictions in your holy scripture. That's something I leave to the believers.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
ecco: It's not about what they knew. It's about what God knew and what God said.
all flesh - shall die

You list your religion as Christian, but you obviously do not believe the Bible as it was written. It seems you just believe those parts you choose to believe and regard other parts as just mythical teaching narratives
Iiii
ecco: It's not about what they knew. It's about what God knew and what God said.
all flesh - shall die

You list your religion as Christian, but you obviously do not believe the Bible as it was written. It seems you just believe those parts you choose to believe and regard other parts as just mythical teaching narratives

I am not a fundamentalistn or an evangelical.. and I despise the Scofield heresy. I never assume I know what something means without looking at history, context, language and natural law.

2 million Israelites and their herds could not have survived in the Sinai for 40 years, Jonah didn't live in the belly of a fish for 3 days and there was NO global flood.

Its didactic literature.. So look at the message NOT the epic fairy tale.
 
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