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Evidence that Jesus was the Messiah

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by jewscout, Dec 8, 2004.

  1. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp
    This combined with 2 Samuel shows that it must be from his father's side

    http://www.jewsforjudaism.com/jews-jesus/jews-jesus-index.html
     
  2. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm
     
  3. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Many other rose from the dead as well.
    In fact it seems to have been a regular occurance back then.
     
  4. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    Yes it was called slipping into a coma...that happened alot...people thought that someone was dead when they were actually in a coma and would wake up buried alive. Flooding in Europe has caused some old cemeteries to lose coffins and when they would break open sometimes you would find claw marks inside the coffin...where people tried to get out when they woke up.:eek:
     
  5. HelpMe

    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    interesting that you cite those sources no?
     
  6. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    you mean, just as you quote from jews for jesus?;)
     
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    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    i'm not a jew for jesus if that's what you mean.
     
  8. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    nah HelpMe i'm not saying that at all...it's just not surprising that we both post info from sites that are addressing the same question with different answers that happen to support our claims.
     
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    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    the scriptures are more important than any statement concerning the topic regardless of who made it.
     
  10. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    Agreed the scriptures are important but i think it is equally important to discuss the meanings behind the words, especially since much as been lost through some 3000 years of constant retranslation of the text.
     
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    I have read this whole thread. No one even asked, "Did Jesus have any record out-side of the bible?" There are records. For many years Joseph was not even know. But this man Jesus...the Jew's call him a fairy tail. What Jesus real? Was he listed as the founding father of the false religion, Christianity? Can Jesus be proven true outside the bible?
    I believe we as Christians we should first prove he was real?
     
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    You can't ''prove'' many things. Perhaps start with trying to prove that an deity that cannot or will not have a form, is ''real''. Then, perhaps, you could try to prove that Jesus is real.
     
  13. Ben Avraham

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    Well, if you read Prophet Habakkuk 3:13, "HaShem goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel, the Son of God. (Exodus 4:22,23)
    The Messiah cannot be an individual; the individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to have a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but
    to remain as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:35-37) I agree that Jesus was part of the Messiah as long as he lived because he was a Jew.
     
  14. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Have we danced before?
     
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    I don't think so but, probably you have met another Jew with the same view of the collective concept of Messiah. Would you say it does not make sense? I, for one, have lost hope in the individual Messiah that exists only in the
    minds of people perhaps because it does not make any sense at all.
     
  16. Hawkins

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    What Jewish tradition?

    Most original Jewish concepts were lost as a result of the AD 70 siege. Today's Judaism is a revival after AD 200 started by a group of un-legitimate rabbis, as the legitimate authorities such as the Sanhedrin, Sadducees, especially Pharisees were all gone after the siege.
     
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    If you are indeed talking about the Jewish Messiah, read Habakkuk 3:13. "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23. Now, regarding Jesus, as long as he was alive, he was also son of God but as part of Israel, the Jewish People. The point is that the Messiah cannot be an individual; the individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever if you read Jeremiah 31:35-37.
     
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    So, whom was Jesus a blood descendant from if not Joseph? Are you ready to fall in that trap? If you are, you might fall in the trap of John 8:41 that Jesus was born out of rape. According to Josephus, thousands of Jewish babies were born in the First Century out of rape.
     
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    If Joseph was not Jesus' biological father who was? Christians claim God Himself but they ought to be aware that there is nothing biological about God. Therefore, all those who deny the biological affiliation of Jesus to Joseph,
    become candidates of the view in John 8:41 that Jesus was born out of rape by the Romans soldiers in Israel.
     
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    The Jewish Messiah cannot be an individual. The individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not. The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain
    as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:35-37)
     
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