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Featured Evidence, specifically scientific evidence.

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Subduction Zone, May 7, 2018.

  1. PureX

    PureX Well-Known Member

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    There is no "reality of the Earth". There is only 'what is'. It's a singular whole. A totality. And whatever we believe about whatever aspects of the whole we may be able to perceive is also a part of the whole. We are not apart from reality, assessing it from without, deciding what it is or is not, as you keep trying to presume. It's ALL reality. Including our cognitive conceptualizations of it.

    We are not gods, we're mushrooms. ;)
     
  2. Thermos aquaticus

    Thermos aquaticus Well-Known Member

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    Then we disagree again. I believe that there is an objective reality that exists independent of humans.

    I'm pretty sure we have eyes which allows us to see our surroundings.
     
  3. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    If one understands nature of evidence correctly, please let us know of it in one's own words.
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  4. Subduction Zone

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    A piece of evidence is simply an observation that supports an idea. Since science is evidence based scientists need a well defined version of evidence. For them one first must have a testable idea, otherwise one enters the point of being "Not even wrong" as Feynman would have put it. In the sciences to even have evidence one must first have at least a testable idea, a scientific hypothesis that is possible to test and show that it is wrong. If one is not willing to take that risk then one's idea is not worth anything in the world of science. Scientific evidence is evidence that supports or refutes a scientific theory or hypothesis.

    This is a simple and reasonable definition. I have as I have said before seen far too many creationists claim that there is no evidence for the theory of evolution when there are mountains of evidence for it. Once they understand the concept of scientific evidence they cannot deny that that evidence exists without lying. I do think that most creationists know that they are wrong about evidence deep down inside and that is why they avoid threads like this like the plague.
     
  5. paarsurrey

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    While I do not contest one's understanding of "evidence" as a term used in science yet it is to be noted that it is only useful in physical and material realms, which on its own merit is much valuable, but human life is much more than that and there are fields where science is of little to no use. The word "evidence" is borrowed by science from the language which used it much before "science" took its present form. Limits and bounds of science are obvious, therefore.
    There are evident observations, one won't deny, which are used in knowing the non-evident . The methodology in which with the help of evident we know the non-evident is understood to be evidence.
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  6. Subduction Zone

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    That is what scientific evidence is used for. The material world. It explains how life as we know it developed. It explains how planets form, how stars form, how galaxies form and the beginning of the universe as we know it.


    Meanwhile what reliable evidence supports your beliefs? It need not be scientific, but it would be nice to see something.
     
  7. paarsurrey

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    Science is in the process of knowing, it does not claim that its knowledge even in the "the material world" is perfect. Does it, please?
    Not to speak of the other aspect of human activities and life, which are beyond the limits of science and its bounds. Right, please?
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