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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    Yep. Got someone in my house dealing with that very thing. Not fun. Fun fact: Prostates never stop growing. Something to look forward to for you males out there. Yahweh is lucky he doesn't have a prostate.
     
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    Which wouldn’t be an issue if mosquitoes didn’t bite humans. There’s over 5,000 species of mosquitoes, not all were on the Ark.

    And the first plasmodium evolved / mutated into 200 species, currently found that is, only 5 of which are harmful. I doubt all 200 were on the Ark, either.
    I don’t think you’ve ever wanted to understand my beliefs of the extent evolution has played in speciation … it’s everywhere!
    But experimental evidence, like the experiments performed on Drosophila & others, consistently
    show that evolutionary mechanisms can’t create novel body plans; only slowly manipulate & process existing data.
    “…generate new complex traits and abilities?”
    Depends on how complex. With mosquitos? No, those traits already existed, i.e., were there originally. Its proboscis was already designed for ingesting plant sap.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02180-0
     
  3. TagliatelliMonster

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    So you believe in a sort of evolutionary process on steroids, which makes evolution go faster then what we actually observe by a factor of several 100s times faster?

    Do you realize that this silly idea means that for the past 4000 years, there would have to have been some 15-ish speciation events per day?

    Your mistake is thinking that "novel body plans" appear out of thin air.
    In reality, every body part is an adaptation of what came before it. There is no "novel".

    Limbs are modified fins. Limbs aren't "novel".
    Wings are modified upper limbs. They aren't "novel" either.


    So yeas, evolutionary mechanisms only slowly manipulate & process existing data. And by doing so, overtime, they come up with structures that are very very different from what they evolved from. To the point that if one were to compare them, one would call the latter "novel". But that's only because you miss the gap of everything that happened to it in between.

    In reality, it was a very gradual change from the first to the latter.

    A creature without wings, never gave birth to a creature with wings.

    E.coli at the start of the experiment did NOT have the metabolic ability to grow in citrate. The mutations that made it capable of doing so were actually identified.
    The ability to digest nylon also didn't exist before nylon existed.

    New traits evolve all the time.
     
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  4. TagliatelliMonster

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    So basically, anything that goes wrong or is bad - no matter what it is - you have decided that it is our own fault.
    And everything that goes right or is good - no matter what it is - you have decided it is thanks to god.


    So when a baby is born blind, it's his own fault. Or his mother's fault.
    Or when a 5-year old gets infected with a parasite that eats his eyes or his brains from the inside out, it's his own fault. Because he's a "sinner". He deserves it.

    Or ultimately it's the fault of a couple humans that were convinced by some talking snake to take a bite from a magical apple.

    Yep, makes perfect sense.


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  5. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    People wouldn't be so apt to believe this stuff if we didn't have fear instilled in us about going to hell. Also, since few other religions proselytize, we don't get to know the other religious choices out there. These religions prey on the insecure, weak and suffering. So wrong.
     
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    What experiments are these? Links, please.
    Why can't small changes accumulate into big changes? How do these small changes know when to stop, so as not to become big changes?

    We know there exist millions of different body plans, some ancient, others new. Where did they come from? What mechanisms account for them, if not those outlined by the ToE? Was magic poofing involved? Did novel forms just pop into existence, de novo? If so, why haven't these sudden appearances ever been observed?

    By data, I'm assuming you mean genetic data.
    First, genetic "data" gets created or deleted all the time. Mutations occur, sexual mixture occurs. Whole chromosomes may be added or deleted, in a single reproductive event.

    Second, a small tweak; a single base-pair substitution, may have no effect, a minor effect or a huge effect. It may even be lethal. It doesn't take a lot of "new data" to completely change anatomy or physiology; to create a whole new body plan.

    With billions of organisms constantly reproducing, and the resulting variation constantly being sorted by the known mechanisms of evolution, why would novel forms not be expected to occur on a regular basis?
     
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    I can't tell if you're not able to grasp the point here, or if you're just dodging it.

    Again, the plasmodium parasite that causes malaria utilizes a very complex life history to do so. If evolutionary mechanisms cannot generate such complexity, as you suggest, then how did that complexity arise?

    First of all, thanks for the link.

    Second, again we're talking about the plasmodium parasite that causes malaria and how its complex life cycle came to be. Please try and stay on topic.
     
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  8. nPeace

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    How do you know what you don't have? Hasn't man been messing up the planet and people's lives, as far back as we know? I heard one scientist blame mankind for the deadly hurricanes, due to their years of destructive activities..

    A lot about us is bad. It's just that some of us mistakenly think we are good.
    Even the mosquitoes are messed up. :(

    Now, does that help any, with understanding why God wanted men - the ones he was going to 'dwell among' to cut off part of their penis?
     
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    It's understandable that religion - false religion, that is - has contributed to the ignorance of people, and their laziness to investigate the evidence, so easily available to them.
    Certainly, as is clear to you, we should acknowledge false religions role in this. Not all religion does this.
    In fact, to claim that only religious people are weak, is clearly not a reasonable view, since that would mean that people who gave up great wealth, and high positions and fame must by necessity be weak.
    However, that is to have a highly mistaken opinion.
     
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    Because I do all of the suggestions from doctors. We are just trying to get by in a healthy manner, at least I am. Thanks for your effort though.
     
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