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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    You have an odd concept of evidence.
    First, science can't deal with the supernatural. There's nothing there for science to work with. The supernatural produces no evidence to examine. It's magic.
    Then, there's the designer. That's a who. Science doesn't deal with who, either. Science studies mechanism, it studies how, not who.
    You propose a designer, responsible for the universe. Yet you can provide no evidence for this designer other than references in an ancient book of folklore. By that metric I could propose the universe was created by orcs, or cosmic mice, with the same authority.
     
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  2. nPeace

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    I don't. You make biased opinionated accusation without any basis.

    Don't tell me that. I don't need to hear it. Tell that to the person who keeps talking about scientific evidence in relation to a supernatural.

    That's not true. That's your biased opinionated view talking.

    Clearly, if you believe that, then you haven't been paying attention - just expressing your biased opinionated view... imo.
     
  3. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    For the umpteenth time. .. please get your facts straight.
    Evidence - Wikipedia
    That's the last time I go through this with you.
     
  4. Subduction Zone

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    My facts are straight. We were specifically discussing scientific evidence. To back to post #557 and you will see that you asked using that term. So to help you:

    Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

    "Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

    I like that definition because it is clear and concise and reasonable. If a person is not willing to test his idea then he cannot claim to have any evidence for that idea.

    When you could not come up with a reasonable test of your idea you admitted to having no scientific evidence for it. And I can find this same definition at various other sources. It is the definition that scientists use.

    So once again, what reasonable test could falsify your theory if it is wrong?

    And though you accuse others of being rude it is amazing that you cannot see it in yourself. Here you were obviously wrong and yet you accused me of not getting my facts straight.
     
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  5. SkepticThinker

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    What evidence is there for the supernatural?
     
  6. Milton Platt

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    It wasn't meant to be an argument, only was meant to point out the deficiency of your evidence.
    By the way, sorry for the slow response time....Life happens. LOL
     
  7. nPeace

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    If your intention is to point out deficiencies, then just making statements - which are claims really - does nothing. I think you need to demonstrate or show how the evidence is deficient.
    Take all the time you need. The forums aren't going anywhere... yet. :)
     
  8. ZenMonkey

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    ... Or maybe it's an evolutionary phenomena or a adaptation to certain surroundings. If you could go to venus and set up shop, gravity would be different, the atmosphere different also ... so on so s forth. Also like here ... this continent that continent under water in air ... We grow differently here obviously, so somewhere like Venus where things are drastically different, you gotta wonder, or I at least gotta wonder how one of us would turn out. would we be base and instinctual only, or would we still have mind from which we navigate?
     
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    It always cracked me up, that New Jersey is called “the Garden State.” LOL!
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    Since there is no scientific or other reliable evidence for a god why do you think that people have to prove the obvious? If you think that you have evidence post it. But please do not get offended when it is refuted.
     
  11. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    I wish God had thought about things like putting the female urethra, vagina and exit door so close together. We are tired of getting UTIs. Also, I keep drinking water and inhaling some of it down my windpipe. Our backs keep going out. So many bad design flaws. I am not sure I'd hire him to build anything.
     
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  12. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    Because all fetuses start out physically female, but the inferior ones become male. :D
     
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  13. nPeace

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    How many people you know got UTIs?
    Isn't that like getting a disease because of unhygienic practices.
    Some people get those diseases. Some don't.
    Bad practice always lead to bad consequences.

    For example, the mosquito breeds where there is an environment conducive to its increase. Then people in those habitats get sick.
    If everyone kept their environment clean, would the mosquito thrive?

    Consider that it was after man's disobedience to God, that thorns and thistles would become a problem for them.
    So think of it. God never intended for thorns and thistles to florish.
    Man was supposed to take care of the earth, and make the whole earth garden-like.
    They didn't. They rebelled. Bad consequences followed.

    Do you notice the contrast between a place where people allow weeds and wild bush to overrun the land, and a place where people carefully remove weeds and grow flowers, trees, and foods?
    Big difference right.

    We could give though to these things, and it will help us to see that the design is fine. The inhabitants are the problem... At least the ones not guided by God.

    Nothing is wrong with the way our bodies are designed.
    Are you not thankful for your immune system; the fact that you can eat, and get rid of waste.

    It's sad that people don't show gratitude to the creator, rather than find little things to pick at and complain about, so as to find fault with man's maker. That's pretty sad. :(
     
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    it’s recently been discovered, I read, that mosquitoes—or at least one of their species—was found to have a mutation that altered and expanded its “food sources”, I guess you could say.
    IOW, it was originally designed to ingest just plant sap; but due to the mutation, it is now able to ingest blood.

    Some harmful mutations are expected, at least in JW thinking, since the Bible clearly implies that after the Rebellion in Eden, Jehovah God’s will is not being “done on Earth”— we are to pray for it to “come”. (Matthew 6:9-10)
    It’s such a simple truth — that God isn’t fully in control right now — but lots of people aren’t aware of this Bible teaching. — 1 John 5:19
     
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    The "unhygienic practice" was building a funfair on the same plot as a sewage works.

    What is the "bad practice" that leads to appendicitis, or childhood leukaemia, or difficult human childbirth due to the baby's head being too big for the pelvis, or Down syndrome, or arthritis or dementia?
    Or did your god just design us that way?

    Jeez! You really have no idea about even the most basic science issues, do you?

    **** me! So now you are claiming that thorns and thistles are younger than homosapiens?
    There is mountains of hard evidence for thorny plants tens of millions of years ago.
    So you are now reduced to simply ignoring the evidence. Seems reasonable.
     
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    Mosquitoes have been feeding on animal blood for tens of millions of years.
    Studies have shown that one species in Africa may be changing its preference to humans from other animals, but it doesn't carry the malaria parasite.
     
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    Excuse me, I do not have bad hygiene. Many people, mostly women, suffer with these over and over. Stop blaming us. Why did Yahweh want men to cut off part of their penis? What was wrong with how it was designed?
     
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    First of all, that's the mosquito. My question was about the plasmodium parasite.

    Second, does this mean you agree that mutation + natural selection can indeed generate new complex traits and abilities?

    Third, do you have a citation?
     
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  19. Jose Fly

    Jose Fly Fisker of men

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    God to Abraham: I designed the penis so perfectly that I need y'all to start cutting part of it off.
     
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    Not to mention that the male urethra runs through the prostate gland, commonly causing problems with urination when the prostate enlarges with age (and through which men also ejaculate, of course).
     
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