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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. - Genesis 1:1


    According to the Bible, Jehovah Designed All Things
    Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God. Hebrews 3:4

    What is design?
    Design is the creation of a plan or convention for the construction of an object, system or measurable human interaction. Design has different connotations in different fields (see design disciplines [*]). In some cases, the direct construction of an object (as in pottery, engineering, management, coding, and graphic design) is also considered to use design thinking.

    Designing often necessitates considering the aesthetic, functional, economic, and sociopolitical dimensions of both the design object and design process. It may involve considerable research, thought, modeling, interactive adjustment, and re-design. Meanwhile, diverse kinds of objects may be designed, including clothing, graphical user interfaces, products, skyscrapers, corporate identities, business processes, and even methods or processes of designing.

    Thus "design" may be a substantive referring to a categorical abstraction of a created thing or things (the design of something), or a verb for the process of creation as is made clear by grammatical context.

    Definitions
    More formally design has been defined as follows:

    (noun) a specification of an object, manifested by an agent, intended to accomplish goals, in a particular environment, using a set of primitive components, satisfying a set of requirements, subject to constraints; (verb, transitive) to create a design, in an environment (where the designer operates)

    Another definition for design is "a roadmap or a strategic approach for someone to achieve a unique expectation. It defines the specifications, plans, parameters, costs, activities, processes and how and what to do within legal, political, social, environmental, safety and economic constraints in achieving that objective."

    Here, a "specification" can be manifested as either a plan or a finished product, and "primitives" are the elements from which the design object is composed.

    The person designing is called a designer, which is also a term used for people who work professionally in one of the various design areas usually specifying which area is being dealt with (such as a textile designer, fashion designer, product designer, concept designer, web designer or interior designer). A designer's sequence of activities is called a design process while the scientific study of design is called design science.

    Another definition of design is planning to manufacture an object, system, component or structure. Thus the word "design" can be used as a noun or a verb. In a broader sense, design is an applied art and engineering that integrates with technology.

    While the definition of design is fairly broad, design has a myriad of specifications that professionals utilize in their fields.

    Major examples of design are architectural blueprints, engineering drawings, business processes, circuit diagrams, and sewing patterns.

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    Synthetic biology is an interdisciplinary branch of biology and engineering.

    The subject combines disciplines from within these domains, such as biotechnology, genetic engineering, molecular biology, molecular engineering, systems biology, membrane science, biophysics, chemical and biological engineering, electrical and computer engineering, control engineering and evolutionary biology. Synthetic biology applies these disciplines to build artificial biological systems for research, engineering and medical applications.

    Definition
    Synthetic biology is seen differently by biologists and engineers. Originally seen as part of biology, in recent years the role of electrical and chemical engineering has become more important. For example, one description designates synthetic biology as "an emerging discipline that uses engineering principles to design and assemble biological components". Another portrayed it as "a new emerging scientific field where ICT, biotechnology and nanotechnology meet and strengthen each other"

    The definition of synthetic biology is also debated in the human sciences, arts and politics. One popular definition:
    "designing and constructing biological modules, biological systems, and biological machinesor, re-design of existing biological systems for useful purposes".

    The functional aspects of this definition are rooted in molecular biology and biotechnology.
    As usage of the term has expanded, synthetic biology was recently defined as the artificial design and engineering of biological systems and living organisms for purposes of improving applications for industry or biological research.

    Synthetic biology has traditionally been divided into two different approaches. Top down synthetic biology involves using metabolic and genetic engineering techniques to impart new functions to living cells. Bottom up synthetic biology involves creating new biological systems in vitro by bringing together 'non-living' biomolecular components, often with the aim of constructing an artificial cell. Biological systems are thus assembled module-by-module. Cell-free protein expression systems are often employed, as are membrane-based molecular machinery.

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    According to scientists... A ribosome is a biological machine.
    Biological
    The most complex macromolecular machines are found within cells, often in the form of multi-protein complexes. Some biological machines are motor proteins, such as myosin, which is responsible for muscle contraction, kinesin, which moves cargo inside cells away from the nucleus along microtubules, and dynein, which moves cargo inside cells towards the nucleus and produces the axonemal beating of motile cilia and flagella. "n effect, the [motile cilium] is a nanomachine composed of perhaps over 600 proteins in molecular complexes, many of which also function independently as nanomachines[*]...Flexible linkers allow the mobile protein domains connected by them to recruit their binding partners and induce long-range allostery via protein domain dynamics. " Other biological machines are responsible for energy production...

    Research
    The construction of more complex molecular machines is an active area of theoretical and experimental research. A number of molecules, such as molecular propellers, have been designed, although experimental studies of these molecules are inhibited by the lack of methods to construct these molecules.

    * Nanorobotics is an emerging technology field creating machines or robots whose components are at or near the scale of a nanometre(10−9 meters).



    Complex machines are built, or constructed. Was it designed?
    The human body - with its most complex object, is one complicated factory.


    The way our body functions, gives evidence of purposeful design.
    There are specification of a finished product, and "primitives" are the elements from which the design object is composed.
    There are building blocks assembled according to "blueprints".
     
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    Evolution of the first nervous systems – what can we surmise?
    Nervous systems are exceedingly complex: it has been determined that as much as 70% of an animal’s genome is expressed in a single nerve cell......

    Our understanding of neurobiology, as a whole, has advanced enormously over the past 50 or so years, but the evolutionary origins of nervous systems, and questions such as ‘when did nervous systems first appear?’, ‘what was the selective pressure that drove what is an exceedingly complex and energetically expensive trait?’ and ‘did that indeed happen multiple times?’ have barely been addressed. .......

    The recently completed genomes of the ctenophores Mnemiopsis leidyi and Pleurobrachia bachei have radically altered our understanding of early metazoan phylogeny and, most notably, the origin of nervous systems.


    Searching for the origin of muscles
    Scientists have addressed the origin of musculature. A new analysis reveals for the first time that some central components of muscles of higher animals are much older than previously assumed. These results indicate that muscle-like cell contraction originated already very early during animal evolution, while the specialization of basal muscle cell types, such as striated muscles, occurred only later and several times independently.

    Jellyfish occupy a special phylogenetic position to understand the evolution of muscles. They are cnidarians, an animal group that originated more than 600 million years ago, and possess striated muscles. Due to the striking similarities between striated muscles of vertebrates and jellyfish, it was so far assumed both striated muscle types share a common origin. In fact, jellyfish striated muscles also express the ancient "muscle myosin," but they lack several essential components that are characteristic for the structure and function of striated muscles of "higher animals."

    This indicates that despite their striking similarities, striated muscles of jellyfish and "higher animals" have evolved independently. This study sheds light onto how seemingly complex biological structures, such as striated muscles, could have evolved independently based on very ancient components.

    Evolution of muscles
    Fit as a sponge
    Sponges - a very old evolutionary lineage - lack true muscles but still have some proteins typically found in muscle cells. These new findings suggest that the origins of musculature lie much further back in time than suspected.

    Neurons are not just for thinking. With the evolution of neuromuscular systems, animals acquired the capacity for articulated movement, allowing them to develop complex patterns of behavior. The structure and function of vertebrate striated muscle, which can be contracted at will, has been studied in detail, but its evolutionary history remains obscure. New results reveal that central elements of skeletal muscles evolved surprisingly early, in animal forms that are not normally regarded as being very athletic.


    The blood vascular system first appeared probably in an ancestor of the triploblasts over 600 million years ago, overcoming the time-distance constraints of diffusion, while endothelium evolved in an ancestral vertebrate some 540–510 million years ago.

    Birds, mammals, and crocodilians show complete separation of the heart into two pumps, for a total of four heart chambers; it is thought that the four-chambered heart of birds and crocodilians evolved independently from that of mammals.

    No circulatory system
    Circulatory systems are absent in some animals, including flatworms. Their body cavity has no lining or enclosed fluid. Instead a muscular pharynx leads to an extensively branched digestive system that facilitates direct diffusion of nutrients to all cells. The flatworm's dorso-ventrally flattened body shape also restricts the distance of any cell from the digestive system or the exterior of the organism. Oxygen can diffuse from the surrounding water into the cells, and carbon dioxide can diffuse out. Consequently, every cell is able to obtain nutrients, water and oxygen without the need of a transport system.

    Some animals, such as jellyfish, have more extensive branching from their gastrovascular cavity (which functions as both a place of digestion and a form of circulation), this branching allows for bodily fluids to reach the outer layers, since the digestion begins in the inner layers.

    Evolutionary origins of the blood vascular system and endothelium
    There is no trace of the cardiovascular system in the fossil record. Molecular phylogenetic analyses have yielded interesting, though limited insights into evolutionarily conserved mechanisms of heart development and tube formation. By contrast, comparative biology provides a rich source of information that can be used to infer and reconstruct the evolutionary history of the cardiovascular system.


    The Masterpiece of Nature, by Professor Graham Bell
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    "Sex is the queen of problems in evolutionary biology. . . . It seems that some of the most fundamental questions in evolutionary biology have scarcely ever been asked . . . The largest and least ignorable and most obdurate of these questions is, why sex?"

    An egg from a woman’s ovaries cannot produce life on its own. For this to happen, a sperm cell from the male reproductive system must combine with the nucleus of the egg.
    What does the sperm do to make the egg develop?

    Differently shaped cells begin to form - nerve cells, muscle cells, skin cells, and all the other types that make up the human body.

    Science Digest
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    "No one knows for sure, why certain cells aggregate to form a kidney while others join to form a liver, and so on."

    Eventually, the human body reaches full growth, being made up of some 100,000,000,000,000 cells.
    What causes the cells to stop dividing at just the right time and why?
     
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    The hearing ear and the seeing eye —Jehovah has made both of them. Proverbs 20:12

    The Ear
    The ear consists of three parts: the outer ear, the middle ear, and the inner ear.
    The middle ear is a small chamber that begins with the eardrum and leads to the maze of passageways that constitute the inner ear.

    Besides its function in connection with hearing, the inner ear also possesses organs having to do with balance and motion.

    The use of two ears greatly helps a person to locate the source and direction of sounds.
    The human ear detects sounds within the range of about 20 to 20,000 cycles per second.
    The ears of many animals are sensitive to tones of higher pitch that are inaudible to the human ear. The range of sound energy perceived by the human ear is remarkable. The loudest sound that the ear can tolerate without danger is two million million times as powerful as the least perceptible sound. The human ear has the maximum sensitivity that it is practical to possess, for if the ears were any keener they would respond to the unceasing molecular motions of the air particles themselves.

    The outer ear is precisely designed with a specially designed structure of curves, and an opening designed to catch and channel sound waves into the inner ear.

    The Eye
    The eye is a highly efficient, self-adjusting “camera” that transmits impulses to the brain, where the object focused on the eye’s retina is interpreted as sight.

    The possession of two eyes, as in the human body, provides stereoscopic vision. Sight is probably the most important channel of communication to the mind.

    The retina contains 120 million rods - allowing us to detect shapes and intensity, and 7 million cones for detecting color.

    The rods and cones convert the visuals into nerve messages to be transported to the brain, which then translates those messages.

    Your eyes even saw me as an embryo; All its parts were written in your book Regarding the days when they were formed, Psalms 104:16
    Before any of them existed.

    Is there any question of design?


    To be continued...
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    How did you draw conclusion of a deitt based on lifes complex design? and how, within the design, does it point tp the christian god?
     
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    Nice post, @nPeace.

    Even Einstein realized there was a “superior reasoning power” behind the complexity.

    Excerpt from (Barnett, L.,) "The Universe and Dr. Einstein", Victor Gallancz Ltd, London, UK, p. 95, 1953.—
    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals Himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."
    (Capitalization of 'Himself' and 'God' were in the book.
    Bold type is mine, to highlight.)
     
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    Grown ups know that intelligent design theory would exist if the bible did not exist. Therefore.....
     
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    Cacotopia Let's go full Trottle

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    This theory has been torn apart dozens of times, but the same statements still get made. What is the point of even trying when no one listens in the first place.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Check out these exquisite designs

     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I think the argument that there is intelligence in the design of life is strong. That is about all we can say by looking at the complexity.

    My thought from my religious opinions is that there are nature spirits fostering and overseeing the development of life.
     
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    I think it’s strong, too. Just by looking at the complexity, as you said.

    How about one Creative Spirit? And here’s why:

    Because all life has the same building “codes”! Even totally disparate organisms, share genes and processes so similar, they are all thought to descend from one organism!
     
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    I think many people would see a design to a creator when the connection is best understood apart from religion, belief, and drawing assumptions not readily assessable (thereby, supposedly making people blind of these connections) to everyone as a whole.

    I think the conversations would advance when we go beyond assuming design means creation but go deeper in the nature of creation in relation to the creator.
     
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    I mean, I see the connection in concept. I know the idea of how you put the two together; but, the fact it does beyond my understanding of concept is something yet explored.
     
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    The human body is NOT a good design.
    • Why do we have a blind spot
    • Why do males have nipples
    • Why do we have a tail bone
    • Why don't wisdom teeth fit in our mouths anymore?
    • The backbone was not designed for upright walking; that's why so many humans have back problems.
    • Why are the male genitalia so 'designed' - why put the reproductive system next to the waste disposal system.
    I could go on but if we were designed (we weren't) then the designer needs to go back to the drawing board.
     
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    Impressive! A remarkable collection of debunked "arguments," nPeace.

    But the complexity is explainable by natural processes. Why posit magic?
    Do you think it's strong, or feel it's strong? Why do you find the natural explanation inadequate?
    How is this evidence? It doesn't follow.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    It looks so haphazard, some strange intelligence to it. But i fail to see divine workings in these molecular machines.
     
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    My reply was to @George-ananda , who believes "there are nature spirits," plural.

    I was presenting evidence, not for a Creator vs. no Creator, but for one Creator vs. many.

    Although I agree with @George-ananda that there are many spirits, my point was that there is only one Creator.
     
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    I got that, but the argument still doesn't follow.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    So, what was that organism? Cyanobacteria. Hail Cyanobacteria! Had it not been there, we too would not have been here.
     
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