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Featured Evidence God does not want all people to have the same religion

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Apr 10, 2021.

  1. Meandflower

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    God does not want all people in the world to have the same religion:

    The tower of Babel

    11Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.

    3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

    5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

    8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

    Some of the Abrahamic religions say "We are the only true religion". Many christians say "jesus is the only way to be saved", and many muslims say "only muslims go to heaven". This is false. The evidence is from the Bible itself.
     
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    May it be that there are multiple religions because human beings around the world is so different? may it be that God see that not all humans will or can follow only one teaching, so there is different paths leading toward the same answer in the end?
     
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    If I remember correctly, the reason why there were different languages is that people were trying to reach god by building a tower assuming god is in the sky. God got angry at trying to "find him" (or define him or so have you) and made them speak multiple languages so they couldn't communicate with each other.

    The first commandment is having no other gods other than one. So any religion that does not describe the god of the bible, his edicts, plans, and such is a false god. So, god being the core of all religions would be totally false from the perspective of other religious tenants and practices. I would disagree with anyone making god the god of all religions. Even Jews don't acknowledge the same perspective and description of god as the christians do, so ...
     
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  4. Trailblazer

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    The Bible is not the only scripture that God ever revealed. There are other scriptures that say other things.

    What God wants for humans now is not in the Bible. The Bible represents what God wanted for humans thousands of years ago, not what God wants for humans now or in the future. Time does not stand still, and neither does God. People change and the world changes thus what God wants for humans also changes from age to age.

    According to Baha'i belief, what God wants for humans is one religion that everyone will adhere to, one common Faith. Nobody knows when this will happen or what the religion will be called but since it was been ordained by God it will happen eventually.

    “That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful and inspired Physician. This, verily, is the truth, and all else naught but error.”
    The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91
     
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    I agree with that!
     
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    God, the ultimate Winner of confusion authorship.
     
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  7. Meandflower

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    I think the Bible is what God wants most for us now. But God also accept other religious scriptures. One religion is impossible. It is very unlikely that all humans will agree on one religion.
     
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    I believe that the Revelation of Baha'u'llah is what God wants for all of us now, but God will also accept other religious scriptures. One religion is impossible right now but it won't be impossible in the future. Religion has never been about what people want, it has always been about what God wants, since God revealed it through His Messengers. I believe that God wants one common Faith for everyone and God always gets what He wants eventually because God is omnipotent.
     
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  9. Deeje

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    Almost correct.....humans were told to spread abroad in the earth, but Noah’s great grandson Nimrod, had other ideas. He wanted to make a name for himself and so he set about encouraging people to build cities and to stay put, to build an empire and a great tower “with its top in the heavens”......not trying to “find God” but trying to outsmart him. Legend has it that they figured if God ever flooded the world again, they would escape to their tower and be out of reach of the water.

    Now, because the humans were again disobedient, God thwarted their plans by confusing their language. (Genesis 11:1-9) This forced them to leave off their building work and to congregate in language groups....all those who could understand one another migrated to different parts of the earth, not only taking their language with them but also the false religious ideas planted by Nimrod, who was the first rebel after the flood. Babylon became the springboard from which all false religion sprang....this is why they have so many core beliefs in common.....multiplicities of gods, immortal souls that survive death, a heaven of bliss for the good people, but a hell of fiery torment for the wicked....most adhere to some or all the those ideas, none of which are found in the Bible.

    Well said. The God of the Bible demanded exclusive devotion from his worshippers......anyone worshipping false gods was dealt with harshly. The God of Abraham was a “jealous God”, so he would not tolerate the worship of any other gods.....much like a husband would not tolerate his wife taking up with another man. Adultery was a capital crime in Israel...and so “spiritual adultery’ was also punishable by death.
     
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    That is my understanding and belief. All rivers lead to the same ocean.
     
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  11. Meandflower

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    I believe Baha'u'llah is a holy soul from God, but I do not believe that the Baha'i texts is to be interpreted literally about that. Many people will feel more oneness with each others, and the different people with different religions will live in peace and respect each other, but that all humans will believe in only one religion in the future will not happen. God wants different religions to exist. I do not believe Baha'i is the latest religion from God, it is only one of the religions from God. And Baha'u'llah was correct about many things, but he was also wrong about many things too
     
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    Baha'is believe that whatever the Manifestations of God reveal is identical with the Will of God.
    We believe that Baha'u'llah was one of the Manifestations of God so whatever He wrote represents the Will of God.
    Baha'ullah wrote “That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith." I believe that is what will happen, since everything God ordains happens eventually.

    Baha'is believe that Manifestations of God are infallible, so that means we believe Baha'u'llah was infallible. That means that Baha'u'llah could not be wrong about anything.

    You cannot know that God wants different religions to exist so that is just your personal opinion.
    You cannot see into the future so you cannot know what will happen in the future.
    God is omniscient so God knows what will happen in the future. Only God knows what the future will bring because God is omniscient.

    I believe there have been many religions of God but the Baha'i Faith is the latest religion of God. I also believe there will be more religions in the future, throughout all time.

    Those are my beliefs so you are not obligated to accept them as true.
     
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    I accept your beliefs :blush: Baha'i is a beautiful religion. You are a very wise person. I learn much from you

    I believe no human is infallible. I believe only God is infallible.
    Yes thats true. I can not know that God wants different religions to exist but I do believe it.
    And you can not know that God only wants Baha'i to be the religion in the world but you do believe it.
     
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    That idea does not relate to Islam at all.
     
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    Do you see it was asked as a question? May it be......that does not mean it was a personal view or not it was only a question
     
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    Yes is does.

    Surah Al-Ma'idah - 5:69
    Indeed, the Believers, Jews, Sabians and Christians—whoever ˹truly˺ believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good, there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve
     
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    I fail to see your evidence proving that those "other" people can also go to heaven.
     
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    That applies to those before the time of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ).

    Surat Al-imraan, ayah 85 "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
     
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    Which people?

    Surah Al-Ma'idah - 5:69 is evidence that non-muslim can also go to heaven
     
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    Alright. The answer is: such an idea does not relate to Islam at all.
     
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