Eve vs Lilith

[Estro Felino]

Has the human mind really changed much since then? Archetypes have repeatedly shown up across history and across different cultures.

Indeed...real feminism is about "what women want" and not "what the patriarchal system (God) wants them to be".
Both Lilith's choice and Eve's choice must be respected.

 

[crossfire]

Indeed...real feminism is about "what women want" and not "what the patriarchal system (God) wants them to be".
Both Lilith's choice and Eve's choice must be respected.

What do you think about Genesis 3 in light of their (Adam & Eve's) choices? Were the pronouncements a curse from God to manipulate Adam & Eve and the Serpent, or was God just pointing out the natural consequences of their being led by their desires?

 

[roger1440]

Why do you think Lilith as Adam's first wife was not included in the Bible?

 

[1137]

Why do you think Lilith as Adam's first wife was not included in the Bible?

It was, it's the first creation story. They just dropped the details.

 

[roger1440]

It was, it's the first creation story. They just dropped the details.

nope

 

[Enlil]

Have you ever heard the night wind while it whistles around your home? Wind is restless, there is no calm. Wind is created by two opposing forces. Until one wins one submits to the other. According to the story God did not leave Lilith, Lilith left God. Lilith left the Garden, God wanted reconciliation. Look closely to the story. God never said men are above a woman or equal. It would appear according to the story God wants men and women to work things out rather than run away. Lilith will never find rest until she returns. She is a homeless wanderer.

The version of Lilith you had given comes from “Alphabet of Sirach”. This is not a “mythological tale”. The story is satire. Satire is an exaggeration of truth, at least in the mind of the author. Beneath the exaggeration would be a kernel of truth. What is the kernel of truth would be a better question to ask. What is the author exaggerating?

Here is the story in its entirety:

Alphabet of Sirach - Wikipedia

Out of curiosity, why do you use the metaphor of the night wind here?

 

[1137]

nope

Yes?

Story one is Genesis 1:1-31

Story two is Genesis 2:4-9

 

[Desert Snake]

Yes?

Story one is Genesis 1:1-31

Story two is Genesis 2:4-9

The Scripture was written after the events, so that verse could simply be stating how God created man, same as the other references, except including Eve, here.

 

[1137]

The Scripture was written after the events, so that verse could simply be stating how God created man, same as the other references, except including Eve, here.

There's literally two stories where the events occur in different orders. The first had God make man and woman equal, the second sees woman come from man. I might have the wrong verse?

 

[Desert Snake]

There's literally two stories where the events occur in different orders. The first had God make man and woman equal, the second sees woman come from man. I might have the wrong verse?

Or a different Bible. Both of those examples seem to indicate Adam, as the first creation, according to my reading.

 

[Estro Felino]

Or a different Bible. Both of those examples seem to indicate Adam, as the first creation, according to my reading.

I hope you are aware that the Genesis is nothing but recycled Mesopotamian mythology and not the result of some divine revelation

 

[Desert Snake]

There's literally two stories where the events occur in different orders. The first had God make man and woman equal, the second sees woman come from man. I might have the wrong verse?

I would also note, that in retelling, or basically, after the creation, you could say 'God created Eve, and Adam'.

That would seem to be a true, non contradictory, statement.

 

[roger1440]

Yes?

Story one is Genesis 1:1-31

Story two is Genesis 2:4-9

The story of Lilith as Adam's first wife could not possibly be included in the Book of Genesis or any other book in the Jewish or Christian Bible for the simple reason the story didn't exist until many centuries after the Bible was written. It's a no brainer, LOL