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No, it's not about what women "should do". Why would you say that?
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EU CONDEMNS IRAN-ISLAMPHOBIA!
- Thread starter Bob Jones
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No, it's not about what women "should do". Why would you say that?
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I agree. Both should not impose on each other.
So let women follow Western culture in the West and women follow Islam culture in the Islam World.
You agree with that? (Means unveiled for Muslim women in Holland)
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Anything Muslims don´t like becomes Islamaphobia, the old whine.
What does the absence of an action in one body have to do with an action in another body ?
When the social practices of any country deny basic human rights, then they should be called out.
Islam as practiced by many treats women poorly, as chattel. Iran does. They deserve every bit of condemnation they get.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
The lies some people tell themselves
What is it about “calls on the Iranian Government to respect the freedom of Iranian women to choose their own dress code.” that you don’t understand shameless one?
Begone cult member
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes. This is why I am strong supporter of education for women in all these places. I am convinced that once the women are educated the same as the men, a lot of this will start to get sorted out. But it won't be a quick process.
No, it's about freedom. It's about the fact that women don't have the ability to choose what they want to wear. Sure, plenty of Iranian women want to wear the traditional garb. But many want to dress more like Westerners, too, and these women don't have the freedom to do it.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Wouldn't that be cultural imperialism?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We've had a few honest and frank ones in the past advocating proper dress and veil who laid it out as they saw it.
If I remember correctly, one, I would think a traditionalist, was a poster called, Sword of Islam whom doesn't seem to come up on the register anymore and had stopped posting a bit while back.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Photo´s taken in Iran during the time of the Shah show women, many drop dead gorgeous, wearing the most stylish of clothes for the time.
Very few look like they are wearing trash bags.
I have no reason to believe their tastes have changed, just the taste of the men who control their lives.
ROFL and what “cult” do you suppose I belong to?
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Good post. Thank you.
So true
You miss the key here
Maybe the picture is not clear yet:
Mandatory scarf in Iran has nothing to do with the old Islam culture, because it started in 1979, after the Iranian revolution and the installation of Ayatollah Khomeini as Supreme Leader (see quote and spoiler below).
From the news (see link in spoiler):
Iran arrests 29 women for not wearing hijab in protests
NEWS /HIJAB
Iran arrests 29 women for not wearing hijab in protests
Women removed their headscarves in public in protest of Iran's compulsory law.
02 Feb 2018 GMT+3
Iran has cracked down on women violating its compulsory headscarf decree, arresting at least 29 individuals, according to Iranian media, and drawing criticism from activists and rights groups.
Tasnim news agency reported on Friday that 29 women had been arrested, and quoted Tehran police as saying that the detainees were arrested for "disturbing public security".
It was unclear where else arrests had been made, as protests have spread from the capital to other areas, including the ancient cities of Esfahan and Shiraz.
The mandatory headscarf, or hijab, has been in place in Iran since 1979, after the Iranian revolution and the installation of Ayatollah Khomeini as Supreme Leader.
Over the years, hundreds of thousands of Iranian women have protested against the law.
In recent weeks, following a new wave of protests in the country, women renewed their opposition to the law, taking off their hijabs in public and waving them on wooden sticks like flags.
Holly Dagres, an Iranian-American analyst, said Iranian authorities are "very much aware" that more than half of the population is against wearing the hijab.
"It's evident by the fact that the morality police are on constant patrol of the streets of major cities like Tehran," Dagres told Al Jazeera.
"Authorities know that if they don't crack down, Iranian women will continue to test the boundaries of what they can and cannot wear."
Dagres said that more arrests were likely to spur solidarity with the campaign.
NEWS /HIJAB
Iran arrests 29 women for not wearing hijab in protests
Women removed their headscarves in public in protest of Iran's compulsory law.
02 Feb 2018 GMT+3
Iran has cracked down on women violating its compulsory headscarf decree, arresting at least 29 individuals, according to Iranian media, and drawing criticism from activists and rights groups.
Tasnim news agency reported on Friday that 29 women had been arrested, and quoted Tehran police as saying that the detainees were arrested for "disturbing public security".
It was unclear where else arrests had been made, as protests have spread from the capital to other areas, including the ancient cities of Esfahan and Shiraz.
The mandatory headscarf, or hijab, has been in place in Iran since 1979, after the Iranian revolution and the installation of Ayatollah Khomeini as Supreme Leader.
Over the years, hundreds of thousands of Iranian women have protested against the law.
In recent weeks, following a new wave of protests in the country, women renewed their opposition to the law, taking off their hijabs in public and waving them on wooden sticks like flags.
Holly Dagres, an Iranian-American analyst, said Iranian authorities are "very much aware" that more than half of the population is against wearing the hijab.
"It's evident by the fact that the morality police are on constant patrol of the streets of major cities like Tehran," Dagres told Al Jazeera.
"Authorities know that if they don't crack down, Iranian women will continue to test the boundaries of what they can and cannot wear."
Dagres said that more arrests were likely to spur solidarity with the campaign.
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stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
It's not just dress code.
It's the whole dressing on top of the dress code
It has to do with subdue women.
Muslim men should be submissive to Allah, they should not subdue women. People lacking Self-control tend to control and dominate others. And as they are weak (no Self control) they pick on physical weaker ones.
1) Women are NOT free to dress
2) Women get 55 years violating dress code
3) Women get raped and blamed when raped when they violate dress code
Muslim men (in the Mosque I was) , told me, that women need to follow Islam dress code, because otherwise the Muslim men cannot control their sex drive and feel the uncontrollable urge to do their 'thing'. And they even blame a woman for being raped if she violated dress code (some Imams say the same).
We don't talk about dress code here
We talk about hypocritical men, who claim to be spiritual (Imams even) but can't control their sexual impulses, and blaming women even for it (and all of this in the year 2019 !!!)
Spirituality:
1) Do not hurt others/women (NO rape)
1) Control sex urge
2) Control food + other desires
3) Then spiritual life is about to start
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Maybe the picture is not clear yet:
Mandatory scarf in Iran has nothing to do with the old Islam culture, because it started in 1979, after the Iranian revolution and the installation of Ayatollah Khomeini as Supreme Leader (see quote and spoiler below).
From the news (see link in spoiler):
Iran arrests 29 women for not wearing hijab in protests
NEWS /HIJABView attachment 33081
Iran arrests 29 women for not wearing hijab in protests
Women removed their headscarves in public in protest of Iran's compulsory law.
02 Feb 2018 GMT+3
Iran has cracked down on women violating its compulsory headscarf decree, arresting at least 29 individuals, according to Iranian media, and drawing criticism from activists and rights groups.
Tasnim news agency reported on Friday that 29 women had been arrested, and quoted Tehran police as saying that the detainees were arrested for "disturbing public security".
It was unclear where else arrests had been made, as protests have spread from the capital to other areas, including the ancient cities of Esfahan and Shiraz.
The mandatory headscarf, or hijab, has been in place in Iran since 1979, after the Iranian revolution and the installation of Ayatollah Khomeini as Supreme Leader.
Over the years, hundreds of thousands of Iranian women have protested against the law.
In recent weeks, following a new wave of protests in the country, women renewed their opposition to the law, taking off their hijabs in public and waving them on wooden sticks like flags.
Holly Dagres, an Iranian-American analyst, said Iranian authorities are "very much aware" that more than half of the population is against wearing the hijab.
"It's evident by the fact that the morality police are on constant patrol of the streets of major cities like Tehran," Dagres told Al Jazeera.
"Authorities know that if they don't crack down, Iranian women will continue to test the boundaries of what they can and cannot wear."
Dagres said that more arrests were likely to spur solidarity with the campaign.
Which still does not justify the EU condemnation, maybe some EU countries should invade Iran and impose Western values upon them whether they want it or not?
stvdv
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Stanyon
WWMRD?
But it's still some members of the EU attempting to impose western judgement on an entirely different culture.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
There is something called:
International human rights law lays down obligations which States are bound to respect.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Which are largely ignored by more than a few United Nations member states.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Exactly, that's why I said that EU is justified to condemn what they do.
If some members ignore Law does not change that
What's the meaning of this? Have they passed a resolution condemning Saudi Arabia? Or is this just more globalist dog-piling on Iran?
I didn't say anything funny, @Bob Jones. Stop trolling. Misusing the funny rating is against the rules.