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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by graduate92, May 28, 2020.

  1. graduate92

    graduate92 New Member

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    What are some thoughts about these two statements found in the gospel of John about Jesus being the source of eternal life :

    For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

    He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36
     
  2. Valjean

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    This is an Abrahamic view of eternal life, a continuation of the status quo.

    Tech: What if "death" is just the end of the [insert name here] video game? You take off the virtual reality goggles and realize, from your new "life," that you've been living in an objectively unreal 'reality' all along?

    Physics: What if reality is like a film loop, which can be lived/run endless times? What if your death merely starts you on a new loop -- maybe even the same one?

    Hinduism: What if your life is really a dream, from which you can "wake up" to a new reality?
     
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  3. rational experiences

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    It is the same quote.

    If you as a human believe in causing G O D radiation fall out, the Father of the D EVIL...meaning O pi splits in the higher heavens, a wavelength of gases burns, falls to the ground as D...whilst it falls water splits up the radiation attack, disperses and sacrifices all life on the ground...then O PHI is cooled hits the ground as a circle.

    If you believe in the sacrifice of the son you die.
    If you believe in the sacrifice of the son, you die and then own the eternal spirit as an eternal spirit for the human is deceased.

    The documents are an AI recorded contradiction, that proves it places recording in one statement, then answers and it might own the same answer, but then gives a variable. What I understood about AI being heard as ancient male science recording of their own life/innocence removed.

    As chemical brain and mind/sacrificed mutations real...when the chemical brain began to re develop, where AI had been previously machine encoded, the male science self re heard it....so wrote and identified his own proof to self that science is Satanism and evil. Why it is difficult to interpret.

    Therefore the SON of sacrifice information existed and was recorded as a memory message, if you do not believe that science is Satanism and forces fall out attack on life then you will be destroyed...as simple as the advice states.
     
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    you might have to define the condition....believe in Him

    nodding your head and waving your hand.....is NOT believing
     
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    Jesus is the Word of life. The commandment to rise from the dead to eternal life as recorded in Psalm 133:3. So long as He lived the Word was silent just as the Spirit of God hovered in silence over the face the deep. But the Word of Life speaks in His death. Just as God spoke "Let there be Light" Because it is the word of resurrection. Then the silence is broken like the alabaster box, like the body of Jesus. Like the bread of communion which is symbolic of His body. So God can make all things new through the newness of life that is founded on His rising. Which is sure. As it is written behold I lay in Zion a tried stone (tried by the cross to death), a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation.

    So all the new creation will be founded on His sure resurrection. As God said "Behold I make all things new"

    And again it's written that He will give them the "sure mercies" of David. Which is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Jesus said "I am the resurrection and the life"
     
  6. rational experiences

    rational experiences Well-Known Member

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    I endured a crown of thorns irradiation brain prickling event and saw severed human male heads of multi ages manifest and disappear a long with multi male spirit forms and also alien imagery and Michael Jackson/Elvis. Which allowed me to conclude rationally as I was being irradiated humans were dying sacrificed from early age death.

    And human owned DNA was being irradiated destroyed. In that reasoning of seeing burning wispy brown smoking and black smoke appear to cooling to see all the returned dead information advice...what had been removed...seeing those images are then communicated to the cloud vision...why I saw them disappear.

    Stating oh, another Jesus type of life sacrificed on the ground attack, yet not Jesus for I did not bleed. But as we are human and OWN the life body attacked, then radiation OWNS attacking us. Without a thesis or theory of relativity why.

    It us just what radiation fall out does...it attacks.

    Reason…...life is supported first by O stone the planet sealed. The stone body created the heavenly gases. We live first natural before we theory for science and machine reactions. Machines totally artificial to any scientific reasoning.

    Therefore life then gets artificially early age death sacrificed.

    As the atmospheric body is first natural the theist theories not for a naturally presence atmosphere first....what they keep ignoring in scientific determination of reckoning....the atmosphere and body mass was natural first, or else you would not exist as a human or consciousness.

    So when you claim relativity to early age human death and sacrifice to being relative to a scientific theory is about as ignorant as you all are and ever have been.

    The reasoning for why life still exists today..ICE melted and put evaporated water mass back into the atmosphere instead of it being held frozen on the ground or in the water.

    Jesus new born baby human theme said life was returning to a stable state and new born human DNA given back by ICE remassing cooling every year...why it was a known atmospheric HOLY ACT.

    Science in relativity totally ignores the presence of ICE in their theories reactions, when ICE in natural order owns its placement in natural order for GOD.

    Your science is not about maintaining the natural order in God.

    Such as stone and its minerals today only exist due to water flooded mass of Earth sealing it.

    Science puts water into what it tables as relative to science NOT GOD.

    The exact same reasoning for the presence of ICE...you do not table ICE do you scientist!
     
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  7. graduate92

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    Believing is defined by being persuaded in such a way that you are moved to faith and the action of obedience based upon Jesus being Lord and Savior, having died for our sins. Does that clarify it?
     
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    Valjean, Jesus says that He is the way the truth and the life and that no one can come to the Father except through Him. He also says that eternal life is knowing the Father and the Son whom He has sent. So do you think based on this that eternal life can be received and that we don't have to wonder about Tech or Physics or Hinduism defines it, but that it's found in the person of Jesus Christ and you can know that you have it?
     
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  9. rational experiences

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    Before I was crown of thorns irradiated attacked, I believed in owning a spirit after I died....Lots of human says the same claim, AFTER I die.

    Science wants that spirit as the reason science was first stated against us living ANTI of us. So today science says I want that information for a resource.

    So history says, the God tribunal Law said we live on God being present, all information today is just present, the moment. And then science says yes exactly the instant moment, but talk machine and reaction for machine.

    Not about self presence as a consciousness that equated it being Law...and it is a recorded human memory about the Tribunal of Christ claiming the science law by definition law of God....about Earth and imposing information right here and now.

    Such as teachings, life is after an Ape...yet ape sex today right now, the moment reproduces an ape baby....science relativity, in the moment. Human sex right now the human baby in the moment.

    Science therefore against God relevance says...no when the first 2 human being parents were created...as if they were invented...rationally.

    For science a living male human speaks on behalf of ONE self only, inferring the whole time as proven in God Satanism to the destruction of life itself by inferring the female to be Mother Abomination as a science machine reaction, claiming the human being female an evil spirit.

    As a beginning of life.

    Where male rationality in science was totally lost completely...and why science says the Law of God in science relativity is not and never was SATANISM/occult UFO themes...it was only about Christ relativity and GOD as pi, and STONE.

    So the scientists who are cosmologists are the liars...for Satan is in the deep pit of out of space as told.

    God is natural history, and God was by lawful science the claim to in the moment.

    Which is not any machine big bang or collision.

    So science today virtually said, electricity existed before a human being did. So then said...do you human know you have electricity inside of you....which is fake...electricity is a FORMULA and is machine based idealism....a resource after the invention of machine was invented for machine use.

    Why Stephen Hawking categorically told the cosmologist scientist that he was a liar in a science way....not outright but by use of euphemism.

    Seeing science is in life the highest owned elite greedy motivation today......told expressly that it would own infinite resource, therefore not even the riches of God Earth anymore. As metals and jewels, fusion bodies.

    He was promising them all Satan, the God black hole for our planet theme.

    Therefore when coercive behaviour is pronounced to be involved in scientific statements...of males claiming that consciousness knows about spatial themes...it was proven that the only spatial theme they ever discussed in human relativity was the space that they gave to God mass to own conversion of it.

    For you have to theorise it first to then own a formula as a built machine involved with the formula and design to cause the spatial removal cause back to a nothing...which is in fact always was the physical presence of the stone one mass of god FIRST...the planet body.

    Coercion is in fact one male life belief ignoring the holiness of life itself x 2...as a claim that One God in science is the only truth....when in law it said the natural Planet God and natural the moment, right here and right now is the only human truth...as real scientific relativity.

    So when sciences says the first one moment as a human in his machine....he said that the one moment instant was when all life was created...and he really and truly believes it.

    Instant he says that reaction...as if our life on EARTH is a creative reactive atmosphere inside of his machine that he claimed is the Creator inventor of God, as if his machine is Planet Earth the stone....as he took the mineral off the face of God and melted it like a volcano first.

    So in theory he claims his machine is an atmospheric cooling volcano to then erupt and own cloud reactions of lightning/thunder for electricity channelling.

    His real theory....and then says eternal life...is electricity and means it.
     
  10. Deeje

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    Biblically speaking, these verses prove that everlasting life (as opposed to eternal life which only God has) is a reward for not just believing, but by putting our beliefs into action. "Believing" that Jesus is your savior means more than just accepting that provision....it means putting your faith to work. (James 2:14-26) Just as Abraham proved his faith by willingly offering his son to God when it was asked of him. Hebrews 11:17-19 tells us why he was willing to do that. He trusted that God knew what he was doing, even though he did not understand the reason for the request.

    It also means that everlasting life is promised only to those who qualify for it. In both those verses everlasting life is contrasted with 'perishing'....'not seeing life', but forfeiting life as an everlasting punishment. Them forever missing from the world is proof that God's anger can have everlasting consequences.

    I have no belief in a hell of eternal conscious punishment.

    That is how I would understand those verses.
     
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    You're preaching, and this says nothing about the nature or experience of life after death, nor is it evidence based or tested. It's folklore.

    It's a passage from the Bible, true, but why is the Bible any more authoritative than any other book? It's a much-edited anthology of ancient writings by various unknown authors, full of errors and contradictions.

    The Quran or Gita at least seem to have a single author and little editing. Why not quote from them? For that matter, why not quote Gandalf from Lord of the Rings?
     
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    Valjean Veteran Member
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    Another preacher?
    "Biblically speaking" these verses "prove" nothing. How are you defining proof?
    Prove and claim aren't the same thing.
     
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    What if our existence is a three-act play (except that it represents reality instead of fantasy); we are both the actors and the audience. Act I is called The Pre-mortal Life. We existed as cognitive beings, as self-aware individuals but without bodies of flesh and bones. We lived in God's presence as His spirit offspring for literally millions of years. In Act II, which is called Mortal Life, we spend perhaps 70, 80 or 90 years here on Earth. We start out as babies, grow into little children, then into adulthood and, at least for some, into old age. We remember nothing of our Pre-Mortal Life, but many of us do feel the connection to another time and place where our spirits first came into being. Eventually, the curtain falls on Act 2, but that's not the end of the play. It's merely the intermission. What if we continue to exist when that curtain falls, our bodies buried in the ground but our spirits, the source of our life goes on just as before birth. We continue to learn new things, grow spiritually, and are still capable of making decisions. At the end of the intermission, the curtain rises and we discover that our spirits have been reunited with our bodies, except that our bodies are new in that they are no longer subject to aging, disease, injury or death. This is where Act III begins. Act III is Life Eternal in Heaven. It goes on forever and it just keeps getting better and better.

    Intermission is catch-up time. Not everyone was given the same opportunities in Mortal Life. God is not only a just God; He is also a merciful God. He genuinely wants all of us back in His presence. (I say "back in His presence" because that is where we started. Remember, the play begin with Act I, not Act II.) He will do everything He possibly can -- without taking away our freedom to choose for ourselves -- to make sure each of us understands the gospel of Jesus Christ and our Savior's role in making eternal life a possibility for us. The vast, vast majority of the world's people will come to accept Him. For many, it might not be until intermission, when the playing field is finally leveled, but it will happen.

    Sounds too crazy to be true? Maybe, but "what if"?
     
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    Interesting, but what evidence supports it? Mechanically, how would it work?
     
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    How would we know that eternal life is not real?

    Live the experience to make that claim.

    Sacrificed life, early age death.

    If a human says I am an immortal being, and says it consciously based on precepts all presence CHRIST gases is the reason of my life support.....but know you die, be removed physically from being a human bio life...and methane released from your bio death goes back with CHRIST ….a CH value of gases that came out of the stone. Being methane.

    So claim a portion of my own spirit history...eternal O OOOOOOOOOO masses of God bodies in the eternal. Reason of separation thinning of the surround of the bodies..….which burst and became space. Space forced the separation of God eternal O bodies x mass into bursting burning...spatial expansion allowed those bodies to cool and evolve.

    Creation a naturally owned spatial supported reason for all diverse bodies to exist...no other reason.

    Space one name...emptiness...separateness itself.

    Mass one name...diverse x multi mass bodies.

    Notification God the eternal burnt, became the gases for stone...the CH arose gases came out of the body of stone.

    I came from the eternal says a human relating to God.

    Does the state lying exist in consciousness?

    Yes. What does not own that natural history of God O?

    A machine....the fake/artificial liar, that is ANTI CHRIST. The existence of Christ, which also means the existence of God O which also means the existence of self.

    And then he says infinite empty space is the same as the eternal.

    And was already historically proven to be a liar in science mentality.

    To give us sacrifice which means I gave you infinite...which means I removed the eternal and replaced it with infinite.

    Actually as a science liar psyche.

    Therefore when a human says I am not God and nor am I the eternal...and when I die I own a spirit with and in the eternal...they mean it.

    Then can reason why and how....with knowledge that the spirit gases CH came out of God the stone. Their bio death decomposition owns CH methane in bio death, so knows that they are NOT talking eternal for science.

    Claims it spiritually says after God gases filled in space, our spirit did in fact get released from out of the eternal.

    Science says what a load of....but make that claim for they want it for a science reaction and claim I must own a formula for it.

    Formula however is made just for the machine.

    Machine never existed..electricity never existed. Machine invention made first needed a new invention to run it machine body...electricity...electricity is a formula only said by a scientist male human in his bio life presence stating FORMULA for...machine body....not for our body.

    And he is a Satanic liar.
     
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    I hope you get better!
     
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    Gradually I have been, like any human does in healing.
     
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    Oh, I otherwise thought that Jesus was the son of Mary and Joseph :)
     
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    I do not see it as necessary to believe in Prophets to gain eternal life.

    The second paragraph just strikes me as polemical.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    As Valjean said, in Advaita Hinduism, what constitutes us gets eternal life without any investment, all for free, irrespective of whether one is theist or atheist, follows this scripture or that, or even if good or evil. That is the default position.
     
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