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Errors in Bible translations...

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by t3gah, Dec 22, 2004.

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  3. I'm not sure

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  4. Who cares?!

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  1. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi Deut. 32.8

    It was a synthization and not a substantial copy; hence, by definition not a plagirism.


    Now, why are you so negative instead of being loving which is required of Christ true followers?

    Remember, "When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel."

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  2. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Bad redaction. You should know better.

    When was Genesis written, iris89? When was the Exodus/Conquest?
     
  3. SoulTYPE

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    The biggest misunderstanding among Bible scholars today, is that Moses wrote the book of Genesis. If we look at the entire Bible, you will notice that all of it has been written by eyewitness accounts. Many assume that the book of Genesis was made up of oral traditions.

    The reference to writing is found in Genesis 5:1 which says: "This is the book of the generations of Adam." This suggests that the that art of writing was known within the lifetime of Adam, which could make writing as old as the human race.

    God told Isaiah to "Take thee a great roll, and write..."(8:1). "Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:" (30:8). He told Jeremiah also to "Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book" (30:2). The Bible is written by about what God DIRECTLY TOLD THEM AND WHAT THEY SAW.

    Adam wrote the book of Genesis IMO. Others can choose there own opinion or belief.

    I'll be quiet now. Just participating and all, lol.
     
  4. iris89

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    Hi Everyone

    FIRST, Moses wrote the book of Genesis; however, he referenced or pulled information from earlier writings as one poster suggested. That in no way changes who wrote Genesis anymore that when historians such as Will Durant, Reverend Alexander Hisop, or John Foxe pulled or synthised what had been written in earlier workes. In doing so, Moses was not unique among Bible writers Joshua and others did like wise, here are two examples where credit is actually given right in the Bible to another book the writer used as reference:

    Joshua 10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, Until the nation had avenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. (American Standard Version; ASV).

    2 Samuel 1:18: (and he bade them teach the children of Judah [the song of] the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jashar): (ASV).

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  5. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    How could Moses write the book, if he "pulled" things from other writings? Are not the person/s who originally made these writings responsible? Without them, Moses could not really write much of a book, could he?

    Iris, I am not having a go at you, I just want more output from your posts. BTW, my name is SOULTYPE01
     
  6. iris89

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    Hi SoulTYPE01

    Obviously you do NOT read many history books as their authors all 'pull' things/data from elsewhere. Now go look at some of the books by Will Durant, Reverend Alexander Hilsop, or John Foxe. No history book can really be written without pulling information from other sources and the same is true for encyclopedias, dictionaries, and most text books. This data is either directly copied in part with credit given to the original writer as Moses did in the case of data from Adam or it is synthesised as I did in coming up with a list of the principle writers of the Bible. Now what is synthesised, it is getting a fact from here and there and combining all the disparate facts in an ordered work. In the case of building an ordered list of who wrote, principle writers, of the Bible, I went to a Bible dictionary and did research on every book of the old testament and made note of who wrote each and where he wrote it if known for every book of the old testament and then went to yet another source to come up with estimated dates for the writing of each, this is a synthesized work and not a copy or basically a copy. Usually in synthesized works credit is not given to the many sources from which facts are drawn; whereas, copied and/or substantially copied items it is standard operating practice to give credit to the original source since they are NOT substantially transformed. Failure to do so would be considered as taking credit for what you did not write in the case of a copy and/or substantial copy, this would be plagiarism.

    Now let’s look at a plagiarism by Muhammed so you can understand exactly what plagiarism really is by example and my comment on it:



    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  7. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    I know perfectly well what plagiarism is miss. I do publish books on occasion (not just those RF stories) but real books.

    But thankyou for your input on this. It wasn't so hard was it? All you had to do was post your opinion :)
     
  8. iris89

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    Hi Hi SoulTYPE01

    Then if you are a writer of books, you well realize I know what I am speaking about. However, you did not say what type of books. For example novels seldom pull facts from anywhere.


    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  9. SoulTYPE

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    I certainly do not write novels ;) but that is irrelevant to the thread title. :) I apologize for the disagreement.
     
  10. iris89

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    Hi SoulTYPE01

    Sorry, I sometimes just say another poster as it is quicker than posting a name. No offense implied.


    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  11. SoulTYPE

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    Just call me ST01 or Soul :)
     
  12. t3gah

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    New World Translation

    Cross-reference Error
    The cross-references of Isaiah 65:11 listed below have cross-references (a) and (b) as I have listed them here. Strangely enough there's a cross-reference from (b) to Exodus 20:3 for the segment that says "Destiny" but no cross-reference for the segment that says "Good Luck" to Exodus 20:3. Then Genesis 30:11 is referenced as proof of reason for both cross-references (a) and (b). There is no corresponding cross-reference from Genesis 30:11 to Isaiah 65:11. There's also a footnote that states "Good Luck" in the NWT is equivalent to "the demons" in the LXX.


    Isaiah 65:11
    god of Good Luck(a) [or "s" in the medium NWT bible]
    god of Destiny(b) [or "t" in the medium NWT bible]
    See Genesis 30:11(c)
    This is what it would look like using the World English Bible

    Isaiah 65:11 “But you who forsake Yahweh, who forget my holy mountain, who prepare a table for Fortune(a), and who fill up mixed wine to Destiny(b);

    (a) 1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God, and I don’t desire that you would have fellowship with demons.

    (a) Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed to demons, which were no God, to gods that they didn’t know, to new gods that came up of late, which your fathers didn’t dread.

    (b) Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.

    (c) Genesis 30:11 Leah said, “How fortunate!” She named him Gad.
     
  13. t3gah

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    Jewish Publication Society 1917 & 1985 Tanach (Tanakh)

    The error is with regard to the scrolls having the tetragrammaton in the places both published versions of the JPS tanach's have and that phrase is: The LORD, except in the cases below:

    In Exodus we have the following for the 1917 version:

    3:14 And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'

    3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations.
    In Exodus we have the following for the 1985 version:

    3:14 has "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" where the 1917 has "I AM THAT I AM".

    3:15 has "Ehyeh" where the 1917 has "The LORD".
     
  14. sakura13

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    Meat in New Testament is incorrectly translated.
    In Original Bible in Greek langauge, meat means, 'food', 'eating' 'nutrition' etc and doesn't mean animal flesh in most verses.
     
  15. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    What bible were you looking at?

    What verses in that bible are wrong?

    IF not one bible, are all bibles wrong?
     
  16. iris89

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    Hi Everyone

    One poster said,
    Even if this were true, which I doubt, it would be a so what. However, the poster failed to post any evidence for what he said.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  17. anders

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    Iris, you should be very silent about asking for evidence, as long as you refuse even to try to proof your "40 authors" claim.

    Regarding the "meat", the Greek word kreas etymologically means meat, even raw meat. But words must always be interpreted according to the context.

    Compare the name "Bethlehem". In Hebrew, it's bet lehem, the bread house (or town). In Arabic, it is bayt lahm, the meat house (or town). The names must be intrepreted from their contexts: to the farming ex-bedouins, now named Israelites, the staple food was cereals. To the bedouins who still were nomading, it was meat. In all probability, there would have been lots of confusion about the meaning of words when Hebrew, Aramaic , Arabic and Greek met during the writing down of the NT.
     
  18. Jayhawker Soule

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    A side note: while I suspect strong bedu influence, I seriously doubt that the nascent Israelites where predominantly bedouin.
     
  19. iris89

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    Hi anders

    Your comment,
    Is incorrect as I have already given the authors and what they wrote, you must have missed it.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  20. anders

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    You have "given the authors and what they wrote", but no proof whatsoever, and no serious Bible scholar will agree with you. So, again, what proof besides what the Bible itself says can you provide?
     
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