Equal Protection Clause - the mail-in ballot problem in Michigan

[Kenny]

Equal Protection Clause - Wikipedia

This is what the problem is in Michigan.

"Ballot curing refers to the process by which voters can correct mistakes—such as a missing or mismatched signature—with an absentee/mail-in ballot so that the ballot can be counted. Ballot curing provisions lay out this process in state law. States without such provisions do not count absentee/mail-in ballots with errors.[3]

As of November 2020, Michigan law did not include a provision for curing ballots."

Processing, counting, and challenging absentee/mail-in ballots in Michigan, 2020 - Ballotpedia


In the democratic controlled polling locations of Michigan, those in charge cured mailing ballots. Yet in other counties they were not allowed to do so and thus a violation of the "Equal Protection Clause" as well as violating the law.

There cannot be two separate standards within the same state.

In addition, ballot stuffing and ballot harvesting has been rampant in Detroit and another democratically controlled area -- happening for years (not just now) as per Linda Lee Tarver.

And that is why people are in an uproar. (this isn't only a Michigan problem)

 

[QuestioningMind]

Equal Protection Clause - Wikipedia

This is what the problem is in Michigan.

"Ballot curing refers to the process by which voters can correct mistakes—such as a missing or mismatched signature—with an absentee/mail-in ballot so that the ballot can be counted. Ballot curing provisions lay out this process in state law. States without such provisions do not count absentee/mail-in ballots with errors.[3]

As of November 2020, Michigan law did not include a provision for curing ballots."

Processing, counting, and challenging absentee/mail-in ballots in Michigan, 2020 - Ballotpedia


In the democratic controlled polling locations of Michigan, those in charge cured mailing ballots. Yet in other counties they were not allowed to do so and thus a violation of the "Equal Protection Clause" as well as violating the law.

There cannot be two separate standards within the same state.

In addition, ballot stuffing and ballot harvesting has been rampant in Detroit and another democratically controlled area -- happening for years (not just now) as per Linda Lee Tarver.

And that is why people are in an uproar. (this isn't only a Michigan problem)

ROFL... people are in an uproar because your Supreme Leader TOLD you to be in an uproar. Now you're all desperately seeking out reasons why you should be in an uproar. Truly sad and pathetic.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even if a court finds an equal protection violation,
there remains the issue of remedy. I don't see it
being Trump's getting the state's EC votes.
Elections, even imperfectly conducted ones must
have a limited time frame from which the winner
emerges.

 

[dybmh]

In addition, ballot stuffing and ballot harvesting has been rampant in Detroit and another democratically controlled area -- happening for years (not just now) as per Linda Lee Tarver.

Of note from the video: The testemony is that an audit cannot be performed. However the assumption is that fraud has occured. How can a judgement of fraud be made without an audit? It's simply not credible to me.

 

[Kenny]

ROFL... people are in an uproar because your Supreme Leader TOLD you to be in an uproar. Now you're all desperately seeking out reasons why you should be in an uproar. Truly sad and pathetic.

Can you validate that position? Are you in an uproar about this uproar because your Supreme Leader TOLD you to be in an uproar?

 

[Kenny]

Of note from the video: The testemony is that an audit cannot be performed. However the assumption is that fraud has occured. How can a judgement of fraud be made without an audit? It's simply not credible to me.

The video said what was needed was a forensic audit that requires the opening of the boxed ballots.

 

[George-ananda]

As a Michigander this is the first I've heard of this. Can the 'cured' ballots now be removed from the vote counts? Would this flip any elections?

 

[exchemist]

Yes, why not keep the deranged fantasy going to the last moment.

I'm waiting for Trump to try to pre-emptively pardon Giuliani, himself and his children, in the hope of staying of jail. This gets madder and madder with every passing day. And funnier.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Can you validate that position? Are you in an uproar about this uproar because your Supreme Leader TOLD you to be in an uproar?

You regularly validate my position with the threads you start and the posts you make.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, why not keep the deranged fantasy going to the last moment.

I'm waiting for Trump to try to pre-emptively pardon Giuliani, himself and his children, in the hope of staying of jail. This gets madder and madder with every passing day. And funnier.

A koala in Michiganistan?
Must be a very southern part.

 

[crossfire]

Equal Protection Clause - Wikipedia

This is what the problem is in Michigan.

"Ballot curing refers to the process by which voters can correct mistakes—such as a missing or mismatched signature—with an absentee/mail-in ballot so that the ballot can be counted. Ballot curing provisions lay out this process in state law. States without such provisions do not count absentee/mail-in ballots with errors.[3]

As of November 2020, Michigan law did not include a provision for curing ballots."

Processing, counting, and challenging absentee/mail-in ballots in Michigan, 2020 - Ballotpedia


In the democratic controlled polling locations of Michigan, those in charge cured mailing ballots. Yet in other counties they were not allowed to do so and thus a violation of the "Equal Protection Clause" as well as violating the law.

There cannot be two separate standards within the same state.

In addition, ballot stuffing and ballot harvesting has been rampant in Detroit and another democratically controlled area -- happening for years (not just now) as per Linda Lee Tarver.

And that is why people are in an uproar. (this isn't only a Michigan problem)

It looks like Ballotpedia's information [3] is out of date, and does not not take the new laws that were passed by Michigan in October 2020 requiring clerks to contact voters so they can cure ballots:
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/VI_Michigans_Absentee_Voting_Process_265992_7.pdf
here is a screenshot from the above pdf where I highlighted a relevant part:

 

[Kenny]

It looks like Ballotpedia's information [3] is out of date, and does not not take the new laws that were passed by Michigan in October 2020 requiring clerks to contact voters so they can cure ballots:
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/VI_Michigans_Absentee_Voting_Process_265992_7.pdf
here is a screenshot from the above pdf where I highlighted a relevant part:
View attachment 45807

Very good and thanks for the update.... my understanding is that it wasn't the voter that cured it. (Allowing myself to be wrong)

 

[dybmh]

The video said what was needed was a forensic audit that requires the opening of the boxed ballots.

Yes, but the video also *assumed* there was fraud without evidence.

All they have evidence of is that poll observers and challengers were not protected. That's not fraud.

 

[Left Coast]

In the democratic controlled polling locations of Michigan, those in charge cured mailing ballots. Yet in other counties they were not allowed to do so

Evidence?

In addition, ballot stuffing and ballot harvesting has been rampant in Detroit and another democratically controlled area -- happening for years (not just now) as per Linda Lee Tarver.

Evidence? I'm not watching a 30 minute video by a conservative political operative.

 

[Kenny]

Evidence?



Evidence? I'm not watching a 30 minute video by a conservative political operative.

So, how do you want me to provide evidence than from a person who has been involved in Michigan government for double digit years?

 

[Kenny]

Yes, but the video also *assumed* there was fraud without evidence.

All they have evidence of is that poll observers and challengers were not protected. That's not fraud.

let me listen to it again.... I thought it wasn't "assumed"... but I have been wrong before.

 

[crossfire]

Very good and thanks for the update.... my understanding is that it wasn't the voter that cured it. (Allowing myself to be wrong)

The document I posted proves this statement from the OP to be dead wrong:

As of November 2020, Michigan law did not include a provision for curing ballots."

There are, in fact, provisions for curing ballots that were in place in Michigan before November 2020, as per the Michigan government document I posted. Not only does it state provisions for curing ballots, but it also requires clerks to notify voters to give them an opportunity to cure their ballots. If the Equal Protections clause is going to be invoked, it will be invoked against those clerks who did not notify voters to give them the opportunity to cure their ballots as per the law.

 

[Left Coast]

So, how do you want me to provide evidence than from a person who has been involved in Michigan government for double digit years?

Based on others' commentary, no evidence is provided in the video anyway, just allegations. Evidence would be an actual demonstration that something happened in blue counties that didn't happen in any red ones, or that ballots were actually stuffed, etc.

So again...evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, how do you want me to provide evidence than from a person who has been involved in Michigan government for double digit years?

Did that person observe attempts to fraudulently change votes? If there was only a possibility of cheating that is not evidence. One has to demonstrate that actual fraud took place, and that cannot be done. In fact the lawsuits often changed when presented to a judge because the claimants that understood the law knew that they had no evidence. As a result they were tossed again and again. As I last heard it was a case of 39 lawsuits to 1 against Trump and the last one was not a win so much as it was just a participation award, as one lawyer put it.

 

[Kenny]

Evidence?



Evidence? I'm not watching a 30 minute video by a conservative political operative.

At a hearing....

"Nov 5, 2020A lawsuit was filed Wednesday in Michigan contesting tens of thousands of ballots in Wayne County, where the city of Detroit is located, claiming failed ballots were cured by Democratic ..."


Lawsuit filed in Michigan contesting tens of thousands of ...