Enough To Make Fair-Minded Christians Sick To Their Stomachs

[BilliardsBall]

So you would be okay with a Satanist coming to your children's school and expressing their beliefs and proselytizing to your children? How about a Muslim?

I've experienced both those things, done to me in public schools--so I'd have no problem with MY CHILDREN experiencing things they are on guard against, safely.

I DO have a problem with your insinuations that Muslims and Satanists should be denied their God-given and Constitutional rights to freedom of religion, expression, speech and association, all TYPICAL ATHEIST STANCES against our government, founders and way of life. STOP IT.

 

[usfan]

.. just non stop, anti-christian propaganda..


Keep pounding that drum! You'll fire up your base and inspire all 'decent people!' to cleanse humanity from the evil of Christianity!



..the overt, shameless religious bigotry here is a bit shocking.. and especially the hordes of bobbleheads who drink it up like kool aid.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You seem assumptive, for example, "I didn't have parental permission to proselytize." Even if I did not, your attorney would have to do some hard climbing to separate me from my protected freedoms of speech, religion, right to associate, etc.

I didn't say, "taking God off money makes it atheist money". Money is neither religious nor secular in itself. I said, "When atheists complain about God printed on money, should they pursue those claims in a court of law, they would be anti-religious claims based on the legal principle of res judicata, and thus a religious objection".

It all depends, honestly, on what the case entails. Because I could see the case being stated such that the objection was that the statement "In God We Trust" is making a claim for which the U.S. Government has no actual evidence or support and cannot know a single concrete truth about. Needn't bring the fact that it is a "Religious" claim into it at all. The case could simply be made that having that statement on our money when we can't know the truth of whether or not there is anything there to trust makes the U.S. look like fools.

This leads to a larger point for RF. It is overly convenient to say "atheism is not a religion," thus allowing atheists:

* To say their RF memberships are NOT to conduct anti-religious business, that is, religious business

* To dodge the no proselytizing rules at RF "all religion is stupid, your religion HAS TO BECOME no religion, yet I'm not proselytizing (CONVERTING YOU RELIGIOUSLY)

Atheists aren't necessarily trying to convert. They are trying to get you to see why you can't just spout things off without evidence, make claims with no backing, and generally get you to see what a fool of yourself you make when you pretend to know things you can't possibly know - while everyone else is pretending to know things that are in direct conflict with your things that they also can't possibly know.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Schools cannot cater to any particular belief?"

They often cater to creation or evolution, secular or private . . . so I call baloney.

"Schools cannot cater to any particular belief" is not a legal statute.

Evolution is not a religious belief. It is based upon observable testable science. They cannot legally teach creationism since that is a religious belief. A myth that has been shown to be wrong. By the way, the fact that you are the product of evolution does not refute Christianity. It only refutes errant forms of Christianity. There are Christians that believe in a Flat Earth due to the Bible. .Should schools not teach geometry because of their beliefs?

You tried to distort my clear meaning. Religion cannot be part of public schools. You mentioned the wall between church and state yourself. Yet you blasted about bringing children to Jesus. They were hopefully merely placating you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

.. just non stop, anti-christian propaganda..


Keep pounding that drum! You'll fire up your base and inspire all 'decent people!' to cleanse humanity from the evil of Christianity!



..the overt, shameless religious bigotry here is a bit shocking.. and especially the hordes of bobbleheads who drink it up like kool aid.

Where? Correcting incorrect beliefs is not propaganda. Once again you use a term that you do not understand.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I DO have a problem with your insinuations that Muslims and Satanists should be denied their God-given and Constitutional rights to freedom of religion, expression, speech and association, all TYPICAL ATHEIST STANCES against our government, founders and way of life. STOP IT.

All that's being said is that they are NOT free (under the law) to proselytize to children in a government-run facility responsible for said children. Which is FACT.

Get a grip man. You're going off the rails.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I've experienced both those things, done to me in public schools--so I'd have no problem with MY CHILDREN experiencing things they are on guard against, safely.

I DO have a problem with your insinuations that Muslims and Satanists should be denied their God-given and Constitutional rights to freedom of religion, expression, speech and association, all TYPICAL ATHEIST STANCES against our government, founders and way of life. STOP IT.

Yes, I have a problem with people pushing their religious beliefs on schoolchildren, outside of a comparative religion type of class. Let's not pretend that you weren't doing that.

When I was a child in elementary school, we used to have someone come in once a week to sing Christian songs (i.e. Songs praising Jesus) with our class. Of course, being a child and a Christian, I didn't think much of it, except for that fact that we had a Jewish child in our classroom that had to leave every time this guy came into our classroom. I still didn't think much of it, being ignorant of what a Jewish person was at the time. But when I think about it now, I wonder why that was forced upon us in such a way that some of the students had to actually leave the classroom and go waste time doing I'm not even sure what, while the rest of us wasted our time singing about Jesus instead of working on math or social studies or something. And I wonder how that Jewish student felt when they had to stand up in front of everyone and leave the room. I don't see how that is fair and I don't see why anyone felt the need to have us praise Jesus once a week in a public school. That's what church is for. Or your home. Or the street corner. Or basically anywhere else.

I will not stop it until you stop pushing your religion in the wrong venues, on impressionable minds who don't have a say in the matter.

 

[SkepticThinker]

.. just non stop, anti-christian propaganda..


Keep pounding that drum! You'll fire up your base and inspire all 'decent people!' to cleanse humanity from the evil of Christianity!



..the overt, shameless religious bigotry here is a bit shocking.. and especially the hordes of bobbleheads who drink it up like kool aid.

What do you consider "anti-Christian propaganda?" Someone questioning your religious assertions and pointing out the laws about separation of church and state?

 

[SkepticThinker]

All that's being said is that they are NOT free (under the law) to proselytize to children in a government-run facility responsible for said children. Which is FACT.

Get a grip man. You're going off the rails.

Yes! Thank you.

 

[BilliardsBall]

It all depends, honestly, on what the case entails. Because I could see the case being stated such that the objection was that the statement "In God We Trust" is making a claim for which the U.S. Government has no actual evidence or support and cannot know a single concrete truth about. Needn't bring the fact that it is a "Religious" claim into it at all. The case could simply be made that having that statement on our money when we can't know the truth of whether or not there is anything there to trust makes the U.S. look like fools.


Atheists aren't necessarily trying to convert. They are trying to get you to see why you can't just spout things off without evidence, make claims with no backing, and generally get you to see what a fool of yourself you make when you pretend to know things you can't possibly know - while everyone else is pretending to know things that are in direct conflict with your things that they also can't possibly know.

I would say sin makes the US look like fools--strident porn, alcohol and drug addiction--and atheism.

I would say "What can't I possibly know?" That God and I have a relationship, and that you "can't possibly know" the contrary, concerning me?

 

[BilliardsBall]

All that's being said is that they are NOT free (under the law) to proselytize to children in a government-run facility responsible for said children. Which is FACT.

Get a grip man. You're going off the rails.

Please cite such imaginary law here.

Thanks!

 

[BilliardsBall]

Evolution is not a religious belief. It is based upon observable testable science. They cannot legally teach creationism since that is a religious belief. A myth that has been shown to be wrong. By the way, the fact that you are the product of evolution does not refute Christianity. It only refutes errant forms of Christianity. There are Christians that believe in a Flat Earth due to the Bible. .Should schools not teach geometry because of their beliefs?

You tried to distort my clear meaning. Religion cannot be part of public schools. You mentioned the wall between church and state yourself. Yet you blasted about bringing children to Jesus. They were hopefully merely placating you.

Again, you seem to be citing imaginary laws--which is unsurprising, given your firm agenda.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Yes, I have a problem with people pushing their religious beliefs on schoolchildren, outside of a comparative religion type of class. Let's not pretend that you weren't doing that.

When I was a child in elementary school, we used to have someone come in once a week to sing Christian songs (i.e. Songs praising Jesus) with our class. Of course, being a child and a Christian, I didn't think much of it, except for that fact that we had a Jewish child in our classroom that had to leave every time this guy came into our classroom. I still didn't think much of it, being ignorant of what a Jewish person was at the time. But when I think about it now, I wonder why that was forced upon us in such a way that some of the students had to actually leave the classroom and go waste time doing I'm not even sure what, while the rest of us wasted our time singing about Jesus instead of working on math or social studies or something. And I wonder how that Jewish student felt when they had to stand up in front of everyone and leave the room. I don't see how that is fair and I don't see why anyone felt the need to have us praise Jesus once a week in a public school. That's what church is for. Or your home. Or the street corner. Or basically anywhere else.

I will not stop it until you stop pushing your religion in the wrong venues, on impressionable minds who don't have a say in the matter.

Wonder no more, I'M A JEWISH CHRISTIAN. You could have simply asked me! STOP ADVOCATING FOR THE IMAGINED PERSECUTED MINORITIES AND STAND UP FOR MY RIGHTS AS A JEW, A CHRISTIAN, AND AN AMERICAN.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I would say sin makes the US look like fools--strident porn, alcohol and drug addiction--and atheism.

I would say "What can't I possibly know?" That God and I have a relationship, and that you "can't possibly know" the contrary, concerning me?

Atheism is a "sin" only if God exists and is a gigantic butthead.

In the end, I DON'T CARE if you have a personal relationship with God. I don't. It doesn't concern me. If God wants a relationship with me, He knows where to find me. I'm never going to be the one seeking after God. I don't think I need Him. Actually... I can't even know what it would mean to "need" God. As far as I can tell, He/She/It doesn't exist! Why in the hell would I claim to literally need something that I can't verify the existence of?! The idea alone is insane.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, you seem to be citing imaginary laws--which is unsurprising, given your firm agenda.

I see that you have no understanding of the law of the land. The Constitution is the ultimate law of the land and it bans such activity.

Please read up on the "establishment clause".

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wonder no more, I'M A JEWISH CHRISTIAN. You could have simply asked me! STOP ADVOCATING FOR THE IMAGINED PERSECUTED MINORITIES AND STAND UP FOR MY RIGHTS AS A JEW, A CHRISTIAN, AND AN AMERICAN.

The boy in my class was not a Jewish Christian and you've avoided my point again.

I do stand up for your rights. As I said in my last post, you can preach your religious beliefs just about anywhere. Your church, the street corner, your home, the park, whatever. Heck, I was randomly approached by a girl in Walmart yesterday who wanted to share her beliefs with me. I didn't throw her to the ground and call the police or yell at her or anything. Rather, I politely said I wasn't interested. It's different in a public school though, where the kids come from all kinds of different cultural and religious backgrounds and don't need or want you proselytizing to them about your religion. And as I pointed out in my last post, they are stuck in a position where they are stuck listening to you, unless they want to draw attention to themselves and leave the room, which they shouldn't have to do in the first place.

Are you not aware of the First Amendment?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Atheism is a "sin" only if God exists and is a gigantic butthead.

In the end, I DON'T CARE if you have a personal relationship with God. I don't. It doesn't concern me. If God wants a relationship with me, He knows where to find me. I'm never going to be the one seeking after God. I don't think I need Him. Actually... I can't even know what it would mean to "need" God. As far as I can tell, He/She/It doesn't exist! Why in the hell would I claim to literally need something that I can't verify the existence of?! The idea alone is insane.

Sorry, atheism isn't a sin per se. Strident atheism seems to be.

Why does God want a relationship with you? God isn't stupid, and like smart people, does not pursue a relationship with pissed off people.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I see that you have no understanding of the law of the land. The Constitution is the ultimate law of the land and it bans such activity.

Please read up on the "establishment clause".

So you don't have any. That's what I thought. Somebody better tell Pence, Trump, Michelle and Barack, etc. that they broke your imaginary statutes!

 

[BilliardsBall]

The boy in my class was not a Jewish Christian and you've avoided my point again.

I do stand up for your rights. As I said in my last post, you can preach your religious beliefs just about anywhere. Your church, the street corner, your home, the park, whatever. Heck, I was randomly approached by a girl in Walmart yesterday who wanted to share her beliefs with me. I didn't throw her to the ground and call the police or yell at her or anything. Rather, I politely said I wasn't interested. It's different in a public school though, where the kids come from all kinds of different cultural and religious backgrounds and don't need or want you proselytizing to them about your religion. And as I pointed out in my last post, they are stuck in a position where they are stuck listening to you, unless they want to draw attention to themselves and leave the room, which they shouldn't have to do in the first place.

Are you not aware of the First Amendment?

What do you mean "my religion"? Which God was considered to have given inalienable rights in the Dec, do you think? Xenu?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you don't have any. That's what I thought. Somebody better tell Pence, Trump, Michelle and Barack, etc. that they broke your imaginary statutes!

Do you not understand the the U.S. Constitution is the ultimate law of the land? I even told you what part. Do you need me to quote it to you and its purpose as laid out by its author?

I do not know of Pence illegally preaching in schools. I would not put it past him. But I know that you cannot show that Obama ever went against the Constitution. Have you been smoking that whacky tabacky again?