Enough To Make Fair-Minded Christians Sick To Their Stomachs

[Salvador]

Wrong, no different from teaching creationism in science class.

Imo, science should be a mandatory learning subject, even in Kentucky. Creationism should be taught in a religion class, which I believe should be taught as an elective learning subject.

 

[Sapiens]

Imo, science should be a mandatory learning subject, even in Kentucky. Creationism should be taught in a religion class, which I believe should be taught as an elective learning subject.

But the discussion is about lying for Jesus and teaching sex ed (a science subject) from a biblical perspective.

 

[SomeRandom]

I wouldn't... I would teach them, reading, writing with grammar, arithmetic, art, and physical education.

Err what about SOSE? Basic Science? History? Touch typing? Graphic design?
Is that not part of basic curriculum anymore?It was when I went to school in like the 90s. And I mean Primary/Elementary school. High school deepened understanding of those subjects obviously and included electives, like law or business or more in-depth history or whatever you wanted to focus on. (My school was a minimum of 6 subjects, with English and Math obviously being mandatory.)
Reading, writing, phys Ed, art and arithmetic are kind of beyond basic in today’s world. I mean all are needed sure, but a pretty shallow line up in today’s world all the same. Hell that was considered beyond basic in the 90s even. Since it ignores real world job ready skills like the aforementioned touch typing and learning with MS office, which we started when we like 7. And a basic understanding of the world around you, like SOSE and history is supposed to give to you.

 

[Salvador]

But the discussion is about lying for Jesus and teaching sex ed (a science subject) from a biblical perspective.

Imo, mythology and science shouldn't be mixed together; this Christian lady was wrong to impose her religious beliefs upon others in a biology class.

 

[Shad]

Seems like the school didn't vet the group.

 

[Twilight Hue]

To say nothing of non-Christians.

"One of the best things about Christians breaking the law and promoting their religion in public schools is that they can’t stop publicly bragging about it, making it easier to stop.

A couple of weeks ago, the Pulaski County Schools in Kentucky invited Michelle Cooper of the AIM Pregnancy Support Center to speak with 8th grade health classes at Northern and Southern middle schools all about “sex, STDs and abortion.”

The problem is that AIM is a Christian organization. And even though Cooper is listed on the group’s website as a “Medical Team Supervisor,” she has no medical training. And she freely boasted about how she “was FREE to talk about how amazing God is! Minds were changed today concerning abortion!!!!”

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Now the Freedom From Religion Foundation is calling for more details about why this partnership occurred and demanding the District put a stop to it. No students should be taught about health education from an unlicensed ministry leader with no qualifications and a very clear right-wing agenda.

“Inviting a self-described Christian ministry to hijack public school health classes in furtherance of its evangelistic agenda is not only a grave injury to your students’ education, but a plain violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment,” [FFRF Legal Fellow Colin] McNamara wrote to Superintendent Patrick Richardson.

FFRF also pointed out the troubling history of crisis pregnancy centers commandeering public schools to proselytize to students and the constitutional concerns with such tactics.
“Public schools exist to educate; CPCs like AIM exist to indoctrinate — by AIM’s own admission, they did not come to the district’s middle schools to teach sex education, but so that ‘minds would be changed concerning abortion,’” McNamara added. “The district can play no part in helping a private religious organization gain access to other people’s children to further their evangelism.”


Finally, FFRF addresses the danger that results from denying students comprehensive, science-based sex education in favor of widely discredited religious rhetoric.


“It is wildly irresponsible for these public schools to allow members of a faith-based anti-abortion ministry access to impressionable students,” said FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor. “This infiltration of church dogma into Kentucky classrooms senselessly endangers the health of students and must stop.”
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Incidentally, AIM isn’t even a healthcare provider. They offer pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, and a Bible Study. No medical professionals work there. Their stated goal is to offer “the gospel of Jesus Christ in both word and deed to men and women dealing with pregnancy.”
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Q. Is it really Christian to misrepresent oneself and dupe others so as to illegally push an agenda?

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That's as bad as Christians calling themselves 'Doctors' in lieu of Reverend, minister, pastor , Bishop etc.

There should be guidelines for disclosure of credentials.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seems like the school didn't vet the group.

Or worse, they did and approved of her activities.

 

[Skwim]

That's as bad as Christians calling themselves 'Doctors' in lieu of Reverend, minister, pastor , Bishop etc.

There should be guidelines for disclosure of credentials.

Dr. Kent Hovind being one of the worst examples.

As of 2013, Hovind claims four doctorates, in education, theology and biblical ministry with an honorary degree in divinity.
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The prestigious Patriot University campus from which Hovind received his PhD.

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[Father Heathen]

I pointed out twice that they were wrong and their misrepresentation was wrong.

I suggest you read the establishment clause in the first amendment. It says the government may not establish a religion, that is, determine one as the chosen religion of the nation, and support it.

This was in response to Britain´s established state church.

There is no mention of a wall between church and state, and this legal concept never arose till the 1960ś.

The establishment clause was never meant to defacto say that the state must be hostile to religion, or to totally exclude religion.

It was meant to say just what it says, the state cannot establish an official state religion and support it.

We have never had an official state religion, even when admitted Christians taught in the schools, and Christian student clubs used school facilities for their meetings, or a coach said a prayer before a game,

So if a teacher at a public school lead the class in an Islamic, Hindu, or even Satanic prayer, you wouldn't mind? Even if your kid was in that class? Or if your tax dollars funded that school?

 

[Father Heathen]

but are totally oblivious and nonchalant about Marxists indoctrination in colleges.

Perhaps because when a conservative mentions "marxism" or "socialism", it's always just something they disagree with and/or don't understand rather than anything that's actually marxist or socialist. So it's understandable why no one takes such claims seriously.

 

[Enoch07]

Perhaps because when a conservative mentions "marxism" or "socialism", it's always just something they disagree with and/or don't understand rather than anything that's actually marxist or socialist. So it's understandable why no one takes such claims seriously.

No that's what you lot are trying to turn it into, and pretend like it's not happening. Either out of you're own ignorance, willful or not.

 

[Kenny]

Then you would leave them unprepared to understand a complex world, only because some of the complexities in it make you uncomfortable. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think children are more capable of understanding difficult topics, when delivered properly. You and I grew up mostly ignorant, because there were so many things nobody could talk about (and in my case, without derision and condemnation). That includes, by the way, not only my homosexuality, but also the fact that I was the ******* (sorry, that was edited...not allowed to use the real word for "illegitimate") son of parents long gone. Do you know what I was taught about that (until I went to a Quaker school?) … guilt. Do you know how it made me feel? No, you don't, nor can you ever.
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Just because you grew up ignorant doesn't translate in that I want the government sponsored teachers to be my children's parents. Especially, as noted, they aren't the best teachers of family in the first place.

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I would love to ween you off of righteous prudery, but I fear that's beyond my power to do in a mere forum. Real understanding would suit you better, but you've already been trained out of that.

I don't participate in judging people.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Perhaps because when a conservative mentions "marxism" or "socialism", it's always just something they disagree with and/or don't understand rather than anything that's actually marxist or socialist. So it's understandable why no one takes such claims seriously.

Pfft, you fundie.

(The liberal version of disagreement with someone. Not that I disagree.)

 

[Kenny]

Err what about SOSE? Basic Science? History? Touch typing? Graphic design?

With you on that with a huge YES.

 

[Kenny]

Or if your tax dollars funded that school?

Yes, educational dollars should follow the student

 

[Kenny]

Perhaps because when a conservative mentions "marxism" or "socialism", it's always just something they disagree with and/or don't understand rather than anything that's actually marxist or socialist. So it's understandable why no one takes such claims seriously.

Yes, conservatives are so ignorant. But we have you to help us

Or was your comment ignorant and lacked understanding?

 

[sooda]

To say nothing of non-Christians.

"One of the best things about Christians breaking the law and promoting their religion in public schools is that they can’t stop publicly bragging about it, making it easier to stop.

A couple of weeks ago, the Pulaski County Schools in Kentucky invited Michelle Cooper of the AIM Pregnancy Support Center to speak with 8th grade health classes at Northern and Southern middle schools all about “sex, STDs and abortion.”

The problem is that AIM is a Christian organization. And even though Cooper is listed on the group’s website as a “Medical Team Supervisor,” she has no medical training. And she freely boasted about how she “was FREE to talk about how amazing God is! Minds were changed today concerning abortion!!!!”

​

Now the Freedom From Religion Foundation is calling for more details about why this partnership occurred and demanding the District put a stop to it. No students should be taught about health education from an unlicensed ministry leader with no qualifications and a very clear right-wing agenda.

“Inviting a self-described Christian ministry to hijack public school health classes in furtherance of its evangelistic agenda is not only a grave injury to your students’ education, but a plain violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment,” [FFRF Legal Fellow Colin] McNamara wrote to Superintendent Patrick Richardson.

FFRF also pointed out the troubling history of crisis pregnancy centers commandeering public schools to proselytize to students and the constitutional concerns with such tactics.
“Public schools exist to educate; CPCs like AIM exist to indoctrinate — by AIM’s own admission, they did not come to the district’s middle schools to teach sex education, but so that ‘minds would be changed concerning abortion,’” McNamara added. “The district can play no part in helping a private religious organization gain access to other people’s children to further their evangelism.”


Finally, FFRF addresses the danger that results from denying students comprehensive, science-based sex education in favor of widely discredited religious rhetoric.


“It is wildly irresponsible for these public schools to allow members of a faith-based anti-abortion ministry access to impressionable students,” said FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor. “This infiltration of church dogma into Kentucky classrooms senselessly endangers the health of students and must stop.”
​

Incidentally, AIM isn’t even a healthcare provider. They offer pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, and a Bible Study. No medical professionals work there. Their stated goal is to offer “the gospel of Jesus Christ in both word and deed to men and women dealing with pregnancy.”
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Q. Is it really Christian to misrepresent oneself and dupe others so as to illegally push an agenda?

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Poor, uneducated people are an easy target.

1. America's poorest white town: abandoned by coal, swallowed ...
   https://www.theguardian.com/.../nov/12/beattyville-kentucky-and-americas-poorest-towns
   America's poorest white town: abandoned by coal, swallowed by drugs. The belt runs from eastern Kentucky through the Mississippi delta to the Texas border with Mexico, taking in two of the other towns – one overwhelmingly African American and the other exclusively Latino – …
   
   
2. A quarter of Kentucky kids are living in poverty, survey shows
   https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/14/quarter-kentucky-kids...
   Nov 14, 2017 · A quarter of Kentucky kids are living in poverty, survey shows. The poverty level is defined as annual income of $24,600 for a family of four. Some officials tie the state's drug epidemic to child poverty and the rising number of children removed from homes because of abuse and neglect.
   

 

[PruePhillip]

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Q. Is it really Christian to misrepresent oneself and dupe others so as to illegally push an agenda?

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The big problem in my mind is that in the USA "religion" is not allowed to be taught in school,
but the growing SECULAR RELIGION can grow all it likes.
Cultural Marxism, existentialism, post-modernism and the like are the new religions of our
age. It's just... they aint defined as religions. And technically, they are not religions, but they
fill the place of religion.
In my country the push against the teaching of religion has led to the promotion of anti-religion;
corporate figures belonging to religion are attacked; celebrities espousing religion have lost
corporate sponsorship; ministers charged with sexism, racism, whatever; children taught
secularist attitudes towards religion etc..

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

We should teach them about being a drag queen:
And ABORTIONS WITHOUT PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT - or sex ed by our friendly neighborhood abortion mill PLANNED PARENTHOOD:
Yes... AND INDOCTRINATE 2ND GRADERS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY.

But Heaven forbid we talk about Pregnancy support choices (secular and religious)

And there are people who are/were "outraged" at these items/issues you brought up (like you, apparently). So where does that leave us? People aren't allowed to be outraged about things YOU happen agree with? Is that it?

And once again (as I am sure you've heard this a thousand times, yet it never loses its validity) - if we let your religious views on sex and human interactions dictate classroom teachings, then we need to provide the same "courtesy" to every other religion. Like teaching the girls to wear hijabs if they want to please Allah and their future husbands. Instead, do you know what we do? The sensible thing - we try to make sure the curriculum sticks to the facts. And here you are, complaining about it. It's weird, is what it is.

 

[Kenny]

And there are people who are/were "outraged" at these items/issues you brought up (like you, apparently). So where does that leave us? People aren't allowed to be outraged about things YOU happen agree with? Is that it?

Where in the world did I ever say that?

And once again (as I am sure you've heard this a thousand times, yet it never loses its validity) - if we let your religious views on sex and human interactions dictate classroom teachings, then we need to provide the same "courtesy" to every other religion. Like teaching the girls to wear hijabs if they want to please Allah and their future husbands. Instead, do you know what we do? The sensible thing - we try to make sure the curriculum sticks to the facts. And here you are, complaining about it. It's weird, is what it is.

Hmmmmm.... what "facts" are you talking about? Abortion without parental input? Drag-queen presentations? Indoctrination of children?

You lost me here.