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Encountered Entities on Ayahuasca

Discussion in 'Shamanism DIR' started by Goat, Jun 15, 2006.

  1. Ba'al

    Ba'al Active Member

    Nov 23, 2009
    I am well aware of the chemistry of DMT and MAO inhibitors in ayahuasca. I was a regular poster of the Hive years ago, the largest drug forum on the net before it shut down. In fact, Erowd probably has many posts of mine taken from Hive archives.

    The evidence is tens of thousands of years of use without a single death attributed to it. Compare that with any other drug including legal pharmaceuticals. I think you should do some research before posting such nonsense.

    Since I can't seem to find any of these heavy side effects maybe you can post some legitimate sources of your claim. I do appreciate the effort to try to inform me but by quest is not of the "new age" movement. My question was directed at Hevenly Heathen with his shamanism experience.
  2. Mikael

    Mikael ...

    Dec 17, 2009
    With ayahuasca it´s the thing with what you shall not ingest before taking it. Like fermented cheese, wine etc. So it needs more physical preparation than, say, LSD. And of course all psychedelics should be taken with at least SOME psychological preparation. And they all have so many layers of effect. But more dangerous than driving, than walking on a slippery surface, than using carpenter-equipment? No way.
  3. SkinnyCheruscian

    Feb 19, 2010

    There is no reason accusing me of nonsense, please let's stay respectful.
    I have said that under proper supervision the risks are probably managable.

    It was not clear from what you said whether you were aware of the MAO issue.

    Apart from that, taking a compound that induces vomiting and can make you pass out appears to me somewhat dangerous.

    The absence of evidence does not mean that it's safe. It takes time for "scientific" evidence to appear. E.g., in the 70s cocaine was regarded as not physically addiction forming, something no longer considered true. The thousands of years you mention: firstly, those people were generally much fitter than we are, second, they did not have scientific records (so how can you know that no adverse cases occurred) third, they had dedicated specialists for this, which we usually don't have.

    Regarding the question whether it makes any sense to imbibe this potion:
    When you speak to people from Brazil, they often will see the issue a bit less glorious than the internet community, where ayahuasca is very hip. Santo Daime was characterised to me by a friend from sao Paulo as "cult-like". So I can only repeat that in my opinion "shamanism", however you define it (and something you don't seem to consider me much competent about anyway), has not so much to do with the compounds used (if any), but with certain mind techniques that take a lifetime to learn. The compounds itself lend themself as well to hedonistic tripping, religious activities other shamanism, what ever.
  4. Mr Cheese

    Mr Cheese Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2007

    trainign wheels are training wheels