El Paso Texas today active shooter Walmart - 18 reportedly shot- (news video & print article)

[Jose Fly]

Really. I think the issue is bigger than you realise

1 in 6 Americans Takes a Psychiatric Drug

1 in 6 Americans Takes a Psychiatric Drug

You're not really making a point. You just keep noting how many Americans are on psychiatric medication.

 

[Shad]

Here it is!
This is the 'Shad' brainwave which shows that the mass killings in the US will go on, and on, and on, and that you have no ideas whatsoever which could ever help to reduce the 35 gun-killings per day, in the USA.

I corrected you so now you are whining. I have made suggestions in other posts before. Not my problem you didn't ask or read those posts.

Oh...... and not one of those average 35 killings per day is a suicide.

You changed topic as you were shown to be wrong. Now you are flailing

And so you've managed to move forward 'not one inch' since Columbine.

Strawman as I never proposed changes in my comments to you nor did you ask. Try again son. More so I had no issues with training program so you omitted that point.

Poor people manage to insure their cars and homes, you know, and balancing the wickedly unreasonable distribution of finances amongst western communities is a whole other subject.

It is called 2a. Cars are not a right. Try again. Poor people do not get full costly insurance coverage. Try again.

Not only can training, courses, tests, CRCs, psycho-evals, compulsory insurance, compulsory home-security, home safes, licensing, assault weapon bans, magazine reduction ...... all deter gun crime, but in the UK we learn of another important point...................

The BBC is reporting to British viewers and listeners that President Trump was speaking out against immigrants when called out something like 'What shall we do?' and when a voice from the crowd called out 'Shoot them!' he is reported to have chuckled. Now President Obama is speaking out about leaders whose words could possibly promote such crimes.

Oh no Trump laughed at something.

To address that might just make a difference as well. ??

You never bothered to ask. Instead you have been whining for 2 days as I corrected you.

 

[We Never Know]

When it comes to violence, there isn't one. The issue is when people try to paint mental health as the issue (abusive and traumatic childhoods do seem to be an essential building block, but we don't scream about that one). Or even an issue at all. Of course some with mental illnesses are violent, but they are a very small minority of the group. What IS an issue you insinuating that there is a problem with medication that is leading to violence. It's not happening. "Kids are medicated, and there is a lot of violence, so the medicated kids are turning violent." NO!!! Bugger off and let those who actually study and work with the stuff do their thing without your erroneous and dangerous nonsense clogging people's brain.

40 years ago less kids were being medicated
40 years ago there were less shootings.

In the last 30 years more and more kids have grown up being medicated.
In the last 20 years we have had a increase in shootings.

All just coincidence I suppose.

 

[We Never Know]

You're not really making a point. You just keep noting how many Americans are on psychiatric medication.

To go do mass shootings isn't something the typical normal person does. I would like to know how many of them were/had been hand fed psychiatric meds since they were young.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

40 years ago less kids were being medicated
40 years ago there were less shootings.

As ice cream sales increase, the number of drownings also increases.
Correlation does not mean causation. THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN MEDICATION AND VIOLENCE!!!
What you are suggesting is on par with and no different from that dangerous bull**** and toxic rubbish that "vaccines cause autism." It doesn't happen.

 

[We Never Know]

As ice cream sales increase, the number of drownings also increases.
Correlation does not mean causation. THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN MEDICATION AND VIOLENCE!!!
What you are suggesting is on par with and no different from that dangerous bull**** and toxic rubbish that "vaccines cause autism." It doesn't happen.

How many of the shooters were on or had been on psychiatric meds for years, since childhood?

 

[Shad]

As ice cream sales increase, the number of drownings also increases.
Correlation does not mean causation. THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN MEDICATION AND VIOLENCE!!!
What you are suggesting is on par with and no different from that dangerous bull**** and toxic rubbish that "vaccines cause autism." It doesn't happen.

I seriously doubt there will be a single smoking gun cause. Too many factors are involved. Too many factors can not be test due to basic ethics. Some long term tests in control conditions involving children for example

 

[Jose Fly]

To go do mass shootings isn't something the typical normal person does. I would like to know how many of them were/had been hand fed psychiatric meds since they were young.

Me too. If you ever find out, let us know. In the meantime, since you don't know one way or the other, I suggest being cautious about implying that there's a link between psychiatric medication and mass shooters. As you noted, a lot of people are taking them so no need to impugn and bring scrutiny to so many people who are already dealing with enough as it is.

 

[oldbadger]

It is called 2a. Cars are not a right. Try again. Poor people do not get full costly insurance coverage. Try again.
.

You're other sentences are just shallow bickering and trolling, so let's take your very stupid and uneducated position on insurance.

You don't believe in compulsory gun insurance because you're upset about poor gunners not being able to afford it, whilst fat rich folks can, ergo.... an unfair law, you claim.

What bulldust! And it suggests that you yourself are an irresponsible shooter.

And because I showed that poor people can afford more expensive insurance such as auto-insurance you use the 'Cars are not a right' argument out of logical position.

So you can't debate logically.

So I know that you are uneducated about gun insurance. You can't have any yourself, which shows your level of irresponsibility with and about guns.

I snatched one quote out of several offers (and at random) to show the other members just how wrong you have been about the common sense of gun insurance.

Americans can keep their rights but I have little doubt that they can be ordered to carry insurance to cover their actions with them.

I snatched one offer of £12 million in Public Liability cover cor under £30 a year. The list of added protections is nice.

So you can admit your ignorance about all that, and then we can move on to the other items on my list. Of course, Insurers wouldn't offer insurance to bad risks, and it's the bad risks that the US needs to remove guns from.

You really should carry Public Liability Insurance, but obviously you don't understand that a mistake by you could cause $millions in damages which a Court would find against YOU. Irresponsible. I personally wouldn't go anywhere near an idiot with a gun who would not pay out a few bucks for third-party protection, it's just ignorant.

The link below must be copied and pasted in to Google:-
Country Cover Club - Home
Country Cover club PREMIUM :-£29.95
£12 million Public Liability Cover
£10,000 Personal Accident Cover
£100,000 Legal Expenses Cover
24-Hour Revocation of Licence and Legal Advice Helpline
FREE Personal Accident and Injury Solicitors Service
FREE Consultation with Specialist Shotgun, Firearms, Explosives and Licence Revocation Solicitor

Admit your mistake.

 

[Shad]

You're other sentences are just shallow bickering and trolling,

You have been whining for days about being corrected with rants.

so let's take your very stupid and uneducated position on insurance.

Hilarious. You whine about trolling then you post this.

You don't believe in compulsory gun insurance because you're upset about poor gunners not being able to afford it, whilst fat rich folks can, ergo.... an unfair law, you claim.

2a. Should not be infringed.

What bulldust!

Assertion. You know insurance costs money monthly right?

And it suggests that you yourself are an irresponsible shooter.

Nope. Just a baseless assertion as you have no actual argument so you try to smear. Try again son.

And because I showed that poor people can afford more expensive insurance such as auto-insurance you use the 'Cars are not a right' argument out of logical position.

You never posted a price. You are just claiming the insurance will be cheaper out the ether. That does not make it so. I also pointed out the fact that not all insurance provides 100% coverage for everything from medical to collision. Try again.

So you can't debate logically.

You have no counter point as you are making up insurance as you. You debate using a fiction in your head as if your fiction is a reality and/or exactly how insurance will work. Try again

So I know that you are uneducated about gun insurance. You can't have any yourself, which shows your level of irresponsibility with and about guns.

Assertion used as a smear again due to your lack of an argument.

I snatched one quote out of several offers (and at random) to show the other members just how wrong you have been about the common sense of gun insurance.

You quoted an opinion. Congratulations.

Americans can keep their rights but I have little doubt that they can be ordered to carry insurance to cover their actions with them.

2a. Shall not be infringed. Insurance is an infringement.

I snatched one offer of £12 million in Public Liability cover cor under £30 a year. The list of added protections is nice.

You quote-mined. Try again son.

"Syndicates of 10 or more Members can join at a reduced rate of £24.95 per annum. Please visit our Syndicate page for further details."

Now here are the actual costs. Try again son.

Country Cover Club - Gun & Sporting Equipment Cover
Country Cover Club - Buy Now
Country Cover Club - Optional Insurances

So you can admit your ignorance about all that, and then we can move on to the other items on my list. Of course, Insurers wouldn't offer insurance to bad risks, and it's the bad risks that the US needs to remove guns from.

Funny I found the real price while you couldn't be bothered to read outside a price you happen to see on a page. Try again.

You really should carry Public Liability Insurance, but obviously you don't understand that a mistake by you could cause $millions in damages which a Court would find against YOU. Irresponsible. I personally wouldn't go anywhere near an idiot with a gun who would not pay out a few bucks for third-party protection, it's just ignorant.

It won't fine me anything as I am responsible with my weapons. You think paying a fee makes someone responsible instead of looking at how they actually hand their firearms. Try again son.

The link below must be copied and pasted in to Google:-
Country Cover Club - Home
Country Cover club PREMIUM :-£29.95
£12 million Public Liability Cover
£10,000 Personal Accident Cover
£100,000 Legal Expenses Cover
24-Hour Revocation of Licence and Legal Advice Helpline
FREE Personal Accident and Injury Solicitors Service
FREE Consultation with Specialist Shotgun, Firearms, Explosives and Licence Revocation Solicitor

Admit your mistake.

Hilarious. You didn't read your source. That was for Syndicates. Again here are the real prices

Country Cover Club - Gun & Sporting Equipment Cover
https://www.ccc3.co.uk/docs/policies/SummaryOfInsurance.pdf

""Products Liability Limit of Indemnity: £12,000,000 (£12million) in the aggregate.Indemnity is provided in respect of claims made against any C³ Member for Compensation, including Costs and Expenses incurred (with consent), as a result of the sale or distribution of shot or hunted game, to family, friends or local retailers in accordance with the Food Standards Agency Wild Game Guide and, where applicable, declared to HMRC, up to the value of £5,000 per annum, during the period of membership. "

That covers food poisoning simply put nothing more.

"PERSONAL ACCIDENT INSURANCEStandard Capital Benefit: £10,000 Enhanced Capital Benefit: £50,000 Applicable if Enhanced Personal Accident Insurance is purchased in conjunction with a C³ Standard Membership.If, during the membership period, a C³ Member suffers an accidental Bodily Injury whilst engaged in an Insured Activity and such activity is the sole, direct and independent cause of the injury, which occasions disablement and or medical treatment within 12 calendar months of the accident, then we shall pay the benefits as stated below"

Ergo if you hurt yourself. I do not need it. I have Healthcare and UI. I do not need another type of insurance which is covered by an existing system/plan.

It does not cover self-defense at all. It only provide some coverage for a lawyer in a criminal case of a very limited scope.

"Criminal Prosecution DefenceCover is provided for Professional Fees incurred in the defence of criminal Legal Proceedings brought against the Member as a result of any act in relation to a C³ Insured Activity where they area) In possession of a firearm or shotgun without a certificate; orb) In possession of a prohibited firearm; orc) In breach of exemptions contained in the firearm legislation; ord) In possession of an air weapon, shotgun or firearm in circumstances alleged to be contrary to an exemption contained in the firearms legislation."

Completely useless insurance well beyond the scope you tried to create. A gun owner that does not hunt has zero need of your linked insurance. Anyone with a medical plan does not need it if they hunt. The coverage is next to nothing for serious issues.


Complain about how horrible at debating I am when you learn to actually read what you link.

 

[oldbadger]

You have been whining for days about being corrected with rants.



Hilarious. You whine about trolling then you post this.



2a. Should not be infringed.



Assertion. You know insurance costs money monthly right?



Nope. Just a baseless assertion as you have no actual argument so you try to smear. Try again son.



You never posted a price. You are just claiming the insurance will be cheaper out the ether. That does not make it so. I also pointed out the fact that not all insurance provides 100% coverage for everything from medical to collision. Try again.



You have no counter point as you are making up insurance as you. You debate using a fiction in your head as if your fiction is a reality and/or exactly how insurance will work. Try again



Assertion used as a smear again due to your lack of an argument.



You quoted an opinion. Congratulations.



2a. Shall not be infringed. Insurance is an infringement.



You quote-mined. Try again son.

"Syndicates of 10 or more Members can join at a reduced rate of £24.95 per annum. Please visit our Syndicate page for further details."

Now here are the actual costs. Try again son.

Country Cover Club - Gun & Sporting Equipment Cover
Country Cover Club - Buy Now
Country Cover Club - Optional Insurances



Funny I found the real price while you couldn't be bothered to read outside a price you happen to see on a page. Try again.



It won't fine me anything as I am responsible with my weapons. You think paying a fee makes someone responsible instead of looking at how they actually hand their firearms. Try again son.



Hilarious. You didn't read your source. That was for Syndicates. Again here are the real prices

Country Cover Club - Gun & Sporting Equipment Cover
https://www.ccc3.co.uk/docs/policies/SummaryOfInsurance.pdf

""Products Liability Limit of Indemnity: £12,000,000 (£12million) in the aggregate.Indemnity is provided in respect of claims made against any C³ Member for Compensation, including Costs and Expenses incurred (with consent), as a result of the sale or distribution of shot or hunted game, to family, friends or local retailers in accordance with the Food Standards Agency Wild Game Guide and, where applicable, declared to HMRC, up to the value of £5,000 per annum, during the period of membership. "

That covers food poisoning simply put nothing more.

"PERSONAL ACCIDENT INSURANCEStandard Capital Benefit: £10,000 Enhanced Capital Benefit: £50,000 Applicable if Enhanced Personal Accident Insurance is purchased in conjunction with a C³ Standard Membership.If, during the membership period, a C³ Member suffers an accidental Bodily Injury whilst engaged in an Insured Activity and such activity is the sole, direct and independent cause of the injury, which occasions disablement and or medical treatment within 12 calendar months of the accident, then we shall pay the benefits as stated below"

Ergo if you hurt yourself. I do not need it. I have Healthcare and UI. I do not need another type of insurance which is covered by an existing system/plan.

It does not cover self-defense at all. It only provide some coverage for a lawyer in a criminal case of a very limited scope.

"Criminal Prosecution DefenceCover is provided for Professional Fees incurred in the defence of criminal Legal Proceedings brought against the Member as a result of any act in relation to a C³ Insured Activity where they area) In possession of a firearm or shotgun without a certificate; orb) In possession of a prohibited firearm; orc) In breach of exemptions contained in the firearm legislation; ord) In possession of an air weapon, shotgun or firearm in circumstances alleged to be contrary to an exemption contained in the firearms legislation."

Completely useless insurance well beyond the scope you tried to create. A gun owner that does not hunt has zero need of your linked insurance. Anyone with a medical plan does not need it if they hunt. The coverage is next to nothing for serious issues.


Complain about how horrible at debating I am when you learn to actually read what you link.

How irresponsible!
So you've been banging off your guns with no Public Third Party Liability cover at all.

And all that word salad of your tried to cover the fact that when a person joins the club membership for just under £30 they get the protection.

And you think that poor gunners (who can afford qukite nice guns) couldn't afford insurance.
Pathetic.

And so if the USA should introduce compulsory gun insurance the victims of accidents and assaults have a chance of receiving the damages that any court might award to them.

When you get older and wiser you'll realise how important this is for your family's security as well as yours. Just like car insurance.......

Duh!

 

[Shad]

How irresponsible!
So you've been banging off your guns with no Public Third Party Liability cover at all.

As I pointed out with evidence the liability you claim is only about injury to the hunter no one else and food poisoning . I do not need it as I have health insurance and UI.

And all that word salad of your tried to cover the fact that when a person joins the club membership for just under £30 they get the protection.

As I pointed out the protection is not what you claimed. It does not apply to injury of another person outside food poisoning. It covers things life insurance, UI and medical plans already do. I do not need insurance which covers what I already have. Waste of money.

And you think that poor gunners (who can afford qukite nice guns) couldn't afford insurance.
Pathetic.

Insurance costs money. Poor people do not have a lot of it. Your idea prevents some of the most vulnerable from having a weapon as they must choose between insurance and other expenses..

And so if the USA should introduce compulsory gun insurance the victims of accidents and assaults have a chance of receiving the damages that any court might award to them.

Your linked source includes none of this.

When you get older and wiser you'll realise how important this is for your family's security as well as yours. Just like car insurance.......

Try again son. I have life insurance.... You have no argument. You make up fiction in your head and respond to that fiction. Nothing more. Delusional. Your only argument is that you think insurance demonstrated responsibility not how individuals handle their firearms. Try again.

Your idea violates 2a.

 

[oldbadger]

As I pointed out with evidence the liability you claim is only about injury to the hunter no one else and food poisoning . I do not need it as I have health insurance and UI.



As I pointed out the protection is not what you claimed. It does not apply to injury of another person outside food poisoning. It covers things life insurance, UI and medical plans already do. I do not need insurance which covers what I already have. Waste of money.



Insurance costs money. Poor people do not have a lot of it. Your idea prevents some of the most vulnerable from having a weapon as they must choose between insurance and other expenses..



Your linked source includes none of this.



Try again son. I have life insurance.... You have no argument. You make up fiction in your head and respond to that fiction. Nothing more. Delusional. Your only argument is that you think insurance demonstrated responsibility not how individuals handle their firearms. Try again.

Duh!
£12,000,000 Public Liability.

And to think that you are teaching kids ......

Dreadful.

 

[Shad]

Duh!
£12,000,000 Public Liability.

And to think that you are teaching kids ......

Dreadful.

So? I do not shoot at people. It isn't hard. I do not shoot on private property. I do not need it. It does not cover self-defense. It does not cover suicides. Why do I need it?

You have never hunted before have you?

You still have no argument outside that you want insurance. Insurance can pick and choose what to cover as it isn't government. Ergo an infringe on 2a.

 

[We Never Know]

As ice cream sales increase, the number of drownings also increases.
Correlation does not mean causation. THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN MEDICATION AND VIOLENCE!!!
What you are suggesting is on par with and no different from that dangerous bull**** and toxic rubbish that "vaccines cause autism." It doesn't happen.

Guns are harder to access now than they were 40 years ago, so that isn't the problem.

 

[We Never Know]

Me too. If you ever find out, let us know. In the meantime, since you don't know one way or the other, I suggest being cautious about implying that there's a link between psychiatric medication and mass shooters. As you noted, a lot of people are taking them so no need to impugn and bring scrutiny to so many people who are already dealing with enough as it is.

I also have mentioned kids that have been bullied etc.... Just for thought,

"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth" - African Proverb

If warmth = attention, the media gives them all the warmth they seek.

 

[SugarOcean]

I also have mentioned kids that have been bullied etc.... Just for thought,

"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth" - African Proverb

If warmth = attention, the media gives them all the warmth they seek.

I was raised around guns that were out in the open. No fun vaults , no trigger guards at that time. I was also bullied in school most of the whole time I was there, including by adult teachers and a principle. Never once did it cross my mind to get one of our guns and even the score.
All I wanted was to graduate and leave the losers behind.

It isn't a gun problem. It's a mental and emotional problem. Banning guns doesn't cure mental or emotional illness.

 

[We Never Know]

I was raised around guns that were out in the open. No fun vaults , no trigger guards at that time. I was also bullied in school most of the whole time I was there, including by adult teachers and a principle. Never once did it cross my mind to get one of our guns and even the score.
All I wanted was to graduate and leave the losers behind.

It isn't a gun problem. It's a mental and emotional problem. Banning guns doesn't cure mental or emotional illness.

When I was younger, people had thinker skin, that is they didn't get their feelings hurt or offended easily.
Now days many people get their feeling hurt and are offended by just about anything. There is evidence of that everywhere, even throughout this forum.