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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Fool

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    is the 'el in 'elohiym?

    or

    is the 'elohiym in 'el?
     
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    Likely the first as "El" seems to be from a much earlier source than "Eloheim". Plus "El" was from the polytheistic Sumerian Gods that predates any of the Jewish writings.
     
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    the idea i'm equating to is similar in context from john 14:11 and exodus 3:14.

    one is singular, while the other is plural.
     
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    Nachmanides renders translation as "master of all forces".
     
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    The Eloheim references, which are always plural, are found with singular modifiers, and the common Jewish interpretation of that is that it may refer to God and his angels.
     
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    The singular of elohim is eloah.
     
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    El Elyon (the God Most High) separated the nations between the Elohim (Deuteronomy 32:7-8).

    El is God, and when we add h in Hebrew like Sara became Sarah, and Abram became Abraham, this is then blessed by the breath of God... Thus Elohim are made manifest by El.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    interesting but eloah is still believed to be derived from 'el by some?

    Difference between El and Eloah
     
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    Judaism is an offspring of the Caananite religion, the Caananites had many gods such as Baal and Marduke and one of them was El, which was a predominantly nasty god. A certain nomadic tribe adopted El as their totem and renamed him YHVH (Jehova). This would become the Jewish tribe and would give birth to Christianity and Islam.
     
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    No relation really other than to show 'Elohim' are the "sons and daughters of El".

    There used to be a whole menagerie of God, Goddess, sons and daughters of those gods and whatever. For whatever reason Judaism jettisoned the whole thing.... Christianity just backfilled the Goddess (Ashtara) into the Holy Ghost, took all the Elohim to the garbage can and swapped Jesus.
     
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    It's means that he's not just any ohim, he's THE ohim.

    ...I'll see myself out.
     
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    El if I know...

    (What do you get when you cross an elephant and a rhinoceros?)
     
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    I believe the Arabic 'Allah' probably shares a language connection, no? Am I right to infer that?
     
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    You should post this in Judaism DIR I'm sure there is someone there who speaks Hebrew or can at least translate the alphabet
     
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    Um yes it does

     
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    I've always guessed as much.
     
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    What are you saying is plural?

    If El/Eloah is the true God then it makes sense that not only the Hebrews would know about Him. Many cultures should retain some memory of Him in their pantheon. Usually as a first Creator God.

    What I see is proof that Canaanites knew of El (who was the Creator god) but made up their own stories about Him. They also said El had other children "gods" as well as a consort goddess. The Hebrews were certainly influenced at times to accept Asherah or one of the Baals etc. But it never was accepted by the prophets who prophesied that only the El YHVH was the true God.

    I believe so.
    • Hebrew Eloah
    • Aramaic Elah
    • Arabic Allah
     
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    Allah - Wikipedia



     
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    I never said that El was the true god, only that El was one of many gods that was chosen by a Caananite tribe to be their patron god.
     
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