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Egyptian record keeping and the Exodus

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by dan, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. greatcalgarian

    greatcalgarian Well-Known Member

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    Frubals to you. On one hand, only Noah family was left, and on the other 'evidence' of global flood from multiple cultures. They want both end to themselves:D

    I offer another explanation. All the other culture telling about the global flood are also inspired by God, same as Moses. But their story does not carry weight, as they are not God selected people:biglaugh:
     
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    greatcalgarian Well-Known Member

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    Mention is continually made of this "ever increasing amount of evidence," and occasionally a vague reference is actually made to some content, but none of this evidence is ever produced. Please provide this evidence.
     
  4. dan

    dan Well-Known Member

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    First point - There is much evidence that a man named Christ lived. I have some non-Christian texts that were contemporaries of Christ that make mention of a wise man named Jesus. There is a pot making mention of him and his brother (in Aramaic). There is plenty of evidence.

    Second point - When the flood abated the people left and inhabited the world. Most did not stay true to God, and many different cultures, philosophies, languages and religions spring from this. These other stories are only perversions from the original. Many studies have been undertaken to explain why all languages seem to trace to identical roots from different isolated groups from different corners of the earth. Two explanations exist regarding how this is possible. One is that the same ideas on language simultaneously sponteneously were created. This is kinda dumb. The other is that they all came from the same language. The same is true of the flood story.

    Third point - There is much evidence for the Bible. I can produce some if requested, but there's no time or room for me to start down that road right now. The things that lack evidence are the miracles found therein. I don't make the mistake that many people do in trying to explain how miracles happen, I only offer this point - to deny the actuality of miracles on the grounds that they cannot be explained is to arrogate omniscience to the human mind by saying, "What we cannot comprehend cannot be, ergo, we comprehend all." Don't be among the millions of pseudo-intellectuals that make this claim.
     
  5. Smoke

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    This is where I stopped reading the OP.
     
  6. Smoke

    Smoke Done here.

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    Not only that, but you missed the point of what you were copying.
     
  7. Smoke

    Smoke Done here.

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    Official nominee for the 2006 Anna Anderson Memorial Award for Lack of Self-Awareness. :clap
     
  8. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    For example ...

    Early Bronze Jericho: High-Precision 14C Dates of Short-Lived Palaeobotanic Remains

    Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht

    Reliable series of high-precision radiocarbon dates in a stratified archaeological context are of great importance for interdisciplinary chronological and historical studies. The Early Bronze Age in the Near East is characterized by the beginning of the great civilizations in Egypt and Mesopotamia, as well as by urbanization in the Levant. We present stratified high-precision dates of short-lived material of Tell es-Sultan (Jericho), covering Late Proto-Urban/EB I, EB II and EB III layers from Trench III. Our calibrated dates, refined by Bayesian sequence analysis involving Gibbs sampling, are ca. 150-300 yr older than conventional archaeological age assessments. The corpus of 14C dates measured in the first decades after the discovery of 14C dating should not be taken too seriously. The 14C dates of Jericho measured by the British Museum 14C laboratory in 1971 appear to be erroneous.

    - [Radiocarbon Volume 40, Numbers 1-2, 1998]​
    Also ...

    Migrations, Ethnogenesis, and Settlement Dynamics: Israelites in Iron Age
    Canaan and Shuwa-Arabs in the Chad Basin


    Thomas E. Levy
    Department of Anthropology, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, California 92039
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    Augustin F. C. Holl
    Department/Museum of Anthropology and Center for Afroamerican and African Studies, The University of Michigan,
    Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1079

    Received May 29, 2001; revision received September 25, 2001; accepted October 14, 2001 ​

    This article discusses issues connected with the emergence and maintenance of cultural identities in multiethnic contexts. Migrations have been shunned during the past few decades as an explanatory tool in the emergence of new cultural entities. It is argued in this article that “migrations” are effective forces of cultural change but they have to be well documented and carefully investigated. The formation of ethnic identity is a complex but dynamic process that does not take place in a vacuum. It sometimes involves “foundational” events, such as key migration, encapsulated in the “social memory”: the trek across the Sinai desert for the Israelites or the move westward along the Wadi-el-Malik for the Shuwa-Arabs to the Lake Chad Basin in West Africa. However, it is more often structured according opposite cultural “archetypes.” The case studies marshaled in this discussion, one archaeological, from the Late Bronze–Iron Age I emergence of Isrealites in highland Canaan (ca. 1300–1100 B.C.), and the other ethnoarchaeological, concerning the Shuwa-Arab settlements of northern Cameroon, both offer distinct histories with striking parallelisms. © 2002 Elsevier Science (USA)

    - see Journal of Anthropological Archaeology
    Or subscribe to the The Bulletin of ASOR - which, of course, you won't. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Prove it.
     
  10. greatcalgarian

    greatcalgarian Well-Known Member

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    So the flood did not wiped clean all living things? What is the point of Noah getting a pair each into the arc?

    I thought different speaking tongue started from the Tower of Babel time?
     
  11. anders

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    False. There are groups of languages which seem to have evolved from a common ancestor. But you'll find no sane scholar believing that for example English and Chinese are related in any way.
     
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  12. MdmSzdWhtGuy

    MdmSzdWhtGuy Well-Known Member

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    You guys need to stop letting the facts get in the way of what dan is trying to say.

    B.
     
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