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Featured Egyptian and Jewish exodus what proof?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, May 10, 2017.

  1. roger1440

    roger1440 I do stuff

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  2. Bob the Unbeliever

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    But you are so Judgemental, that I doubt YOU would approve. Right? I HAVE to have YOUR, PERSONAL approval.... isn't that how it works? ONLY YOU CAN BE THE "CORRECT" JUDGE?
     
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    Actually it was mostly 70% female which is consistent with many Jewish male babies killed at the time as recorded in Exodus
     
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    The problem is getting the date of the Exodus wrong and liberal scholars looking in the wrong time
     
  5. Jake Wilson

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    As usual, such finds are discredited because they are genuine (you wouldn't expect anything less, would you). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and anyone who's able to put two and two together will realize that there's a graveyard of Egyptian wreckage on the seafloor.

    Here's a six spoke chariot wheel:

    Six spoke chariot wheel.JPG
    The same pic with the spokes marked can be seen here: Notzrim

    But it doesn't matter how much evidence you present, the ones who don't like it will explain it away.
     
  6. Jake Wilson

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    As said previously, people explain away what they don't like (evidence doesn't matter these days). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and here's a six spoke chariot wheel: Six spoke chariot wheel.JPG
    You can find the same pic with the spokes marked (as well as a vertical axle and some other chariot wheels at: Notzrim
     
  7. shunyadragon

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    Long time hokus bogus stories by the village idiots.

    Egyptian Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea-Unproven!

    From: https://www.truthorfiction.com/chariot-wheels/
    Summary of eRumor:

    This one includes pictures of what are said to be chariot wheels that were discovered on the floor of the Red Sea, confirmation of the Biblical account of Pharaoh’s army being drowned while pursuing the Hebrews. The Biblical account says that God parted the waters to allow an escape for the Hebrews then the waters came back together when the Egyptian army tried to follow. The eRumor also says that chariots, human bones, and horse bones have been found in an area in the Gulf of Aqaba.

    The Truth:
    Much of this eRumor is based on the findings of Ron Wyatt, a colorful and controversial amateur archeologist who claimed to have found Noah’s ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments. He was a passionate and sincere man, according to his supporters, but his critics abound and scientists and archeologists regarded him as an untrained maverick at best and there are some who regarded his as a fraud. Wyatt died from cancer in 1999.

    Wyatt’s interest in the crossing of the Red Sea by the Hebrews became focused on the site of Nuweiba in Egypt because it seemed to fit some of the description of Biblical and historical accounts of the geography. It was while diving along the beach at Nuweiba that he found what he said were chariot parts.

    During his first visit to Nuweiba in 1978 he found a large column lying on the beach that looked like an ancient artifact. Later he found that it had been set up by Egyptian authorities in concrete for display. He believed it to be a marker set up by King Solomon to note the crossing of the Red Sea.
    It was on that same trip in 1978 that Wyatt found what he said were the remains of chariots and chariot wheels at the bottom of the sea. They were heavily covered with coral. Wyatt claimed to have retrieved one of the wheels and said an Egyptian authority declared that it was from the 18th dynasty of Ancient Egypt, but nobody seems to know where that chariot wheel is is now located.
    Regarding the human bones found at the site, TruthOrFiction.com talked with Aaron Sen, one of those who has traveled to Nuweiba and who found the bones. He said the bones were authenticated as human at Stockholm University are are in the possession of professor Lennart Moller who was at Stockholm University in the late 1990s.

    It was also discovered that there seems to be an underwater “bridge” of sea bed that is shallower than the depths on either side of it and that crosses from one side of the sea to the other. Wyatt said that could have been where the waters parted and made the way for the Hebrews to cross.
    Wyatt’s focus on Nuweiba and his claims of finding chariot remains on the floor of the sea have brought other adventurers to the site but even Wyatt’s supporters urge caution about their enthusiastic findings. Richard Rives, the president of Wyatt Archeological Research in Tennessee, told journalist Joe Kovacs, “All kinds of people are finding coral and calling it chariot parts.” Wyatt’s wife, Mary Nell, told Kovacs the same. She went diving with Wyatt at the Red Sea site and said that at first she thought everything was a chariot wheel.

    The bottom line is that at this point all that seems to exist to support the claims of chariot parts on the bottom of the red sea are pictures, most of which are of coral formations. No documented artifacts have been retrieved and preserved from the site and now the Egyptian government prohibits bringing any findings to the surface to the questions may remain for a long time to come.

    The bottomline is that no wheels nor other parts of chariots have been retrieved from the Red Sea. Remember this was a rather large army. If you found anything it would be far more than one or two Chariot wheels.

    There are a number of chariots and chariot parts found in tombs, and pictures on tomb walls, and none of the pictures under the water match what we know of Egyptian chariots. The referenced picture is coral formation.
     
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  8. Jake Wilson

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    Yes, I've read all that rubbish before. The unregenerate will always serve the adversary while waffling about the consensus of respected scholars and archeologists - gosh, what idiots.
     
  9. Riders

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    I dont see anything what are you talking about got pictures?
     
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    I was gonna start a new thread on this because of the passover. But lets put some new questions on here.

    Outside of the red sea and any proof that might be there, what exactly were the 10 plagues brought onto Egypt by Moses and is there any proof of the 10 plagues?
     
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  11. Jake Wilson

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    If I click on the links, the photos come up. You need to click on the included links.
     
  12. Riders

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    i saw the link the wheels have been proven to be fake.
     
  13. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    The quote of my post is from a thread unrelated to this one.
    I've no opinion about Jews & Exodus.
     
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  14. shunyadragon

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    No chariot wheels, just coral formations.
     
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  15. Jake Wilson

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    Who proved them to be fake, the devil? I think you’re confusing this with the moon landing (I took the photos myself a week ago, and I didn’t position the wheels in the water before diving :)
     
  16. Riders

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    The article you put up says its a fake.
     
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    Excerpt from the article.

    The bottom line is that at this point all that seems to exist to support the claims of chariot parts on the bottom of the red sea are pictures, most of which are of coral formations. No documented artifacts have been retrieved and preserved from the site and now the Egyptian government prohibits bringing any findings to the surface to the questions may remain for a long time to come.
     
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  18. shunyadragon

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    I see only coral formations, no wheels, and no wheels have been recovered as evidence of anything related to time of the claimed exodus. If recovered and dated in large numbers it may be considered evidence of the army. At present nothing!
     
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  19. Riders

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    I agree.
     
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    This is from Ron Wyatts. He never excavated his site to prove it was even wood let alone submitted his finding to any archaeology peers. You have a picture, nothing more.
     
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