Education of women in Islam

[Dawnofhope]

This is all good information, although I think some of it also relies upon perception of the rate of advancement, especially over the past 25-50 years.

Just as an example, the recent 50th anniversary of the Moon Landing. I was just a little kid back then, but it was a time when one might have had high hopes for the future. One might have expected an eventual mission to Mars and future missions to Jupiter and beyond - even before the turn of the century. That never happened, which might contribute to the perception that humanity is not progressing, but standing still.

One might compare time frames and see enormous progress and advancement from 1940 to 1980, while discerning a slowing of progress or stagnation from 1980 to the present. The perception is that we may have peaked at some point in the 1960s/70s, while seeing a steady decline in the years since then.

So, even if we're doing enormously better than we were 250 years ago, people might also measure progress by what they've seen in their own lifetimes. To be sure, in the developing world, a great deal of progress has been noted (as you've cited here), such as in the areas of healthcare, life expectancy, and education.

But all this really means is that the West has slowed progress while the rest of the world catches up. Not that that's a bad thing, but it does contribute to the perception that the West is standing still.

So, while it's good that there's greater progress in education for women in Islamic countries, from the West's point of view, it doesn't seem to add anything. It doesn't translate to a cure for cancer or warp drive technology.

As for war, that's another tricky point to make. 200 years ago, military technology was more primitive, so a thousand wars back then wouldn't add up to a hill of beans compared to just one war today. So, the point about "fewer wars" today doesn't really say much. In the nuclear era, we've had to deal with numerous instances of brinkmanship, which causes people to worry more about war than they otherwise would have in earlier eras in history.

The progress is perhaps the most pronounced over the last 20 years where the benefits of education and health are now truly global. There’s less of a West verses the rest dichotomy. Same deal with ‘developed’ vs ‘undeveloped’, They are part of a twentieth century paradigm that we both grew up with (we’re similar age). Now we are part of a global civilisation as never before.

I was in Japan recently and in regards technology they are streets ahead of my ‘Western’ country. Their life expectancy is just as good and their education is better because it needs to be. Instead of Christianity meeting cultural needs around births, marriages and funerals Buddhism/Shinto does.

The easier challenges will now be sustainable development with green technologies. The greatest challenges will be to build unity in our increasingly diverse communities, finding a place for everyone, building greater levels of international cooperation, and addressing problems with a spiritual dimension such as psychological distress and addictions. The equality of men and women is essential for progress.

 

[Stevicus]

The progress is perhaps the most pronounced over the last 20 years where the benefits of education and health are now truly global. There’s less of a West verses the rest dichotomy. Same deal with ‘developed’ vs ‘undeveloped’, They are part of a twentieth century paradigm that we both grew up with (we’re similar age). Now we are part of a global civilisation as never before.

I was in Japan recently and in regards technology they are streets ahead of my ‘Western’ country. Their life expectancy is just as good and their education is better because it needs to be. Instead of Christianity meeting cultural needs around births, marriages and funerals Buddhism/Shinto does.

The easier challenges will now be sustainable development with green technologies. The greatest challenges will be to build unity in our increasingly diverse communities, finding a place for everyone, building greater levels of international cooperation, and addressing problems with a spiritual dimension such as psychological distress and addictions. The equality of men and women is essential for progress.

In terms of global development, there are still plenty of areas where we're still not there yet. Japan, of course, is a developed nation on par with the West. China has also made enormous leaps over the past 50-75 years, but only a dictatorial hard-lined regime could have accomplished that. They were faced with the challenge of building unity, just as you mentioned, and iron-fisted authoritarianism was their way of accomplishing that. Japan was also authoritarian and nationalist up until their defeat in WW2, when they were brought into the Western fold. Other advanced industrialized countries of the West also used morally questionable practices when going through their industrial phase and building up their national wealth.

 

[paarsurrey]

Education of women in Islam

The source of religious guidance in Islam is Quran. There is no bar on education of women in Quran.

Regards

 

[Notanumber]

Education of women in Islam

The source of religious guidance in Islam is Quran. There is no bar on education of women in Quran.

Regards

According to Allah and Mohammad, women are stupid. Has anything changed since then?

 

[paarsurrey]

According to Allah and Mohammad, women are stupid. Has anything changed since then?

One's information about Quran/Islam/Muhammad is incorrect. There is nothing like this mentioned in Quran.

Regards

 

[danieldemol]

One's information about Quran/Islam/Muhammad is incorrect. There is nothing like this mentioned in Quran.

Regards

The kaliph of Ahmadiyya interprets it as “women are deficient” which he takes to mean they are more prone to backbiting and latching on to petty squabbles than men

 

[paarsurrey]

The kaliph of Ahmadiyya interprets it as “women are deficient” which he takes to mean they are more prone to backbiting and latching on to petty squabbles than men

The source of guidance in Islam is Quran, please quote from Quran.

Regards

 

[danieldemol]

The source of guidance in Islam is Quran, please quote from Quran.

Regards

If we are talking about mainstream Islam the source of guidance is both Quran and Hadith, But in Ahmadiyya Islam the source of understanding the Quran according to my understanding is your kaliph, so we need only quote your kaliph to have the Ahmadiyya understanding.

So you have to decide for yourself, are you a Quran alone Muslim or are you an Ahmadi Muslim?

 

[Notanumber]

One's information about Quran/Islam/Muhammad is incorrect. There is nothing like this mentioned in Quran.

Regards

Is any of this information from ex-Muslims inaccurate?

Islam Watch - "In Islam’s Own Writings: Allah and His Messenger’s Extreme Hatred of Women" by Reason

If so, which parts?

 

[Shad]

One's information about Quran/Islam/Muhammad is incorrect. There is nothing like this mentioned in Quran.

Regards

Verse 2:282

 

[Wasp]

Is any of this information from ex-Muslims inaccurate?

Islam Watch - "In Islam’s Own Writings: Allah and His Messenger’s Extreme Hatred of Women" by Reason

If so, which parts?

The Quran:

Sura (2:222) “They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean.”

Hurts the woman may cause an infection for the man.

Sura 4:43 “Muslims, draw not near unto prayer…(if) ye have touched women…then go to high clean soil and rub your face and your hands.” (Muslim women are pariahs and dirty).”

Touched = been intimate with.

Sura (4:11) - God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females. (see also Sura 4:176)

Man shares his portion with his wife and family.

Sura (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." (i.e., Angels, the sublime beings, can only be male.)

They are neither male nor female, but they have for long been thought of as female.

 

[LuisDantas]

I fail to see what this has to do with Islam.

Word has it that Islaam is a complete way of life, and one with very specific expectations towards both genres, as well as to their roles.

 

[Wasp]

Word has it that Islaam is a complete way of life, and one with very specific expectations towards both genres, as well as to their roles.

Specific is relative. You have to know where goes the line between culture/politics and Islam. This topic falls much more under the former category than under the latter.

 

[Wasp]

So you have to decide for yourself, are you a Quran alone Muslim or are you an Ahmadi Muslim?

Qur'an alone Muslim is a title that contradicts itself.

 

[LuisDantas]

Specific is relative. You have to know where goes the line between culture/politics and Islam. This topic falls much more under the former category than under the latter.

Do you say so about Islaam in general? If not, which cultures are your scope?

 

[Wasp]

The kaliph of Ahmadiyya interprets it as “women are deficient” which he takes to mean they are more prone to backbiting and latching on to petty squabbles than men

In a way he's right. But who cares what he says? You might as well be quoting your local priest.

 

[sooda]

Do you say so about Islaam in general? If not, which cultures are your scope?

Islamic culture varies from country to country. Its not as rigid as these keyboard experts are claiming.

 

[Wasp]

Do you say so about Islaam in general? If not, which cultures are your scope?

Say what about Islam in general? I was thinking about the so called Islamic culture found largely in the middle East and Africa.

 

[LuisDantas]

Islamic culture varies from country to country.

Sure. It is unavoidable with such large demographics.

Its not as rigid as these keyboard experts are claiming.

Nor nearly as open and progressive as some of their critics hope it to ever be.

When push comes to shove, Islaam's reputation is defended mainly by wishful thinking, and apparently always was.

Say what about Islam in general? I was thinking about the so called Islamic culture found largely in the middle East and Africa.

That you see the existence of rigid gender and family role expectations as more of a cultural/political thing than as attributable to Islaamic teachings.

 

[sooda]

Sure. It is unavoidable with such large demographics.


Nor nearly as open and progressive as some of their critics hope it to ever be.

When push comes to shove, Islaam's reputation is defended mainly by wishful thinking, and apparently always was.



That you see the existence of rigid gender and family role expectations as more of a cultural/political thing than as attributable to Islaamic teachings.

I take it you have lived in the ME or Africa.