Education of women in Islam

[sooda]

Modern Britain should not be seen to support segregation of the sexes.

It is setting a poor example as is allowing segregation in British Mosques.

Don't you have freedom of religion in the UK?

 

[Wasp]

It is setting a poor example as is allowing segregation in British Mosques.

Who are you to say what happens in the mosque and how it should be? What do you care? It'd be all the same to you if they were all demolished from the face of the earth.

 

[Notanumber]

Don't you have freedom of religion in the UK?

Who are you to say what happens in the mosque and how it should be? What do you care? It'd be all the same to you if they were all demolished from the face of the earth.

It is a British value that women/girls are equals and have equal rights.

 

[Wasp]

It is a British value that women/girls are equals and have equal rights.

Go ask the Muslim women in UK who go to the mosque if they'd prefer to go with the men.

 

[sooda]

It is a British value that women/girls are equals and have equal rights.

Wasn't always that way.. Muslim women had rights to divorce, inherit, control their own money, etc 750 years before British women.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Modern Britain should not be seen to support segregation of the sexes.

It is setting a poor example as is allowing segregation in British Mosques.

The segregation of men and women is based on tradition, interpretation of particular Hadiths and Islamic Jurisprudence in some schools of thought. Continuing the practice in modern times contributes to Islam having a negative image in many parts of the world.

 

[Stevicus]

I've been reading a book titled:

'Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World--and Why Things Are Better Than You Think'

Written by Anna Rosling Rönnlund, Hans Rosling, and Ola Rosling

Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World – and Why Things Are Better Than You Think - Wikipedia

The book highlights how enormous progress has been made worldwide in regards life expectancy, economic progress and levels of education worldwide. There has been a dramatic shift worldwide in stadards of living attributed in no small measure to better access to health and education.

In the Western world such as much of North America, Europe and the Antipodes there is little doubt about the overall levels of prosperity and well being of populations, with similar trends throughout much of Asia, South America and even in the Middle East. Even Africa has made remarkable progress.

So I was wondering about education of women being even more important in some instances than men as women are often the first educators of children and have an enormous influence on their children as role models.

How about the education of women throughout the Islamic world. How is that progressing?

Well, I suppose one can make a case that the world has gotten better in some ways, worse in other ways. I think there has also been progress in the Islamic world, although it seems all the radicals and crazies are getting all the attention.

The world is getting better[edit]
One frequent and recurring theme of Factfulness is the notion that the world is getting better. It also stresses that many people think the world is getting worse when in fact it is not. The survey at the beginning states that with over 10,000 poll recipients 80% knew less about the world than chimps would have [had] they just guessed. This, the authors claim, shows that the media systematically skew data, trends, and uses selective stories to make people think that the world is getting worse. However several experts have questioned these claims and suggested that Rosling's own thinking shows a bias towards optimism or Pollyannaism.[citation needed]

Whether the world is getting better or worse might be more of a relative statement, depending on one's point of view. Others might look back over the past couple of centuries and see noticeable progress during that time, but could possibly discern a slowing of progress or reaching a plateau in more recent decades. It's not that the world is viewed as getting "worse," but if progress slows to a snail's pace and is not as fast as one has been used to or expects, then one might see it as the same as getting worse.

There might be others who see all this progress and advancement as a precarious house of cards which could come crashing down easily if a few key things fall out of place. For example, a temporary interruption of energy supplies - whether it's fuel for vehicles or electricity - can almost instantaneously create chaos. Likewise, people are generally aware of the risks of a nuclear meltdown or a war involving weapons of mass destruction. So, there may be progress, but there's also greater risk, which can lead to greater worry.

Of course, education can also bring hope, and I favor programs which would allow everyone free and open access to public education and higher learning. But there are some drawbacks. For one, the more educated a person is, the more they might realize how much they don't know. Those in poorer countries might realize how much they don't have, as they learn more and more about what the wealthier countries have. Countries with a history of being exploited might gain greater awareness of that fact, and this can lead to resentment and animosity which may not have existed if people remained in "ignorant bliss."

 

[Notanumber]

Go ask the Muslim women in UK who go to the mosque if they'd prefer to go with the men.

Why, do they hate the men or just distrust them?

 

[Notanumber]

Wasn't always that way.

That’s progress.

 

[Notanumber]

The segregation of men and women is based on tradition, interpretation of particular Hadiths and Islamic Jurisprudence in some schools of thought. Continuing the practice in modern times contributes to Islam having a negative image in many parts of the world.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

 

[Wasp]

Why, do they hate the men or just distrust them?

Neither probably.

Gender segregation is such a big part of the lives of a lot of Muslims, if it was to be stopped or reduced it would have to be little by little and it would have to start from outside of the mosque.

Concentration is central in prayer. Both men and women would largely be confused and uncomfortable in such a situation.

 

[danieldemol]

Concentration is central in prayer. Both men and women would largely be confused and uncomfortable in such a situation.

Only if they are indoctrinated to believe that it is wrong, in liberal mosques they get along without confusion or discomfort.

See the following article on Muslims for Progressive Values to know that non-segregated mosques exist;
The secret mosques opening their doors to gay Muslims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[Wasp]

Only if they are indoctrinated to believe that it is wrong,

Yes. Some are. It would make them uncomfortable and possibly stop them from going to the mosque at all.

in liberal mosques they get along without confusion or discomfort.

"liberal mosque". That's not even a thing.

See the following article on Muslims for Progressive Values to know that non-segregated mosques exist;
The secret mosques opening their doors to gay Muslims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I know they exist.

 

[danieldemol]

"liberal mosque". That's not even a thing.

I know they exist.

So are you saying Mosques that allow equal marriage rights for gay men etc are not liberal or are you just pretending they don’t exist?

 

[Shad]

Don't you have freedom of religion in the UK?

This can be countered by speech and conduct laws the UK uses.

 

[Shad]

Wasn't always that way.. Muslim women had rights to divorce, inherit, control their own money, etc 750 years before British women.

British is a recent thing. It is not applicable before the formation of the British Empire. Ergo a limited time frame starting at 1707.

 

[Wasp]

So are you saying Mosques that allow equal marriage rights for gay men etc are not liberal or are you just pretending they don’t exist?

What equal marriage rights for gay men?

 

[danieldemol]

What equal marriage rights for gay men?

I mean the right to get married for males who are gay to each other;
As a Muslim, I'm proud to support marriage equality | Mehreen Faruqi

 

[Wasp]

I mean the right to get married for males who are gay to each other;
As a Muslim, I'm proud to support marriage equality | Mehreen Faruqi

What are you talking about? "liberal" mosques or gay marriage?

 

[danieldemol]

What are you talking about? "liberal" mosques or gay marriage?

I’m talking about both at once