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Ecclesiastes 9:5

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. Frank Goad

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    When it says the living have no reward after they die what does it mean?:confused:
     
  2. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Reconciliation by Daniela Isache (Expressionism)

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    It's here: Ecclesiastes 9 BSB

    So I took all this to heart and concluded that the righteous and the wise, as well as their deeds, are in God’s hands. Man does not know what lies ahead, whether love or hate.

    2It is the same for all: There is a common fate for the righteous and the wicked, for the good and the bad,a for the clean and the unclean, for the one who sacrifices and the one who does not. As it is for the good, so it is for the sinner; as it is for the one who makes a vow, so it is for the one who refuses to take a vow.

    3This is an evil in everything that is done under the sun: There is one fate for everyone. Furthermore, the hearts of men are full of evil and madness while they are alive, and afterward they join the dead.

    4There is hope, however, for anyone who is among the living; for even a live dog is better than a dead lion. 5For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten. 6Their love, their hate, and their envy have already vanished, and they will never again have a portion in all that is done under the sun.

    Both those living in righteousness and wickness have the same fate; both will die. However, those among the living (in righteousness) will have reward, but above, the wicked will die and no nothng more. It's saying that all living regardless if they are in god or not have the same fate. However, those that followed god when alive, gets reward. Those living who did not, are dead for eternity.
     
  3. Fool

    Fool ALL in aLL
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    because there is no veil of ignorance. all is revealed.
     
  4. Workman

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    My understanding of it..lies on the term “The living”,
    “The living” and “To live for”.
    Is a big difference..out of the two!

    To live for, is where there will reward be whom for.
     
  5. wellwisher

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    Before the time of Jesus; Messiah, when people died they remained in state of sleep waiting for the Judgement Day; Hades. The distinction between heaven and hell was not yet made in the old Testament, with respect to the fate of humans. The gate to paradise was locked. Hades was loosely similar to the Catholic concept of Purgatory. Purgatory is a staging area between heaven and hell.

    Heaven or Hell are loosely analogous to the say the Sports Hall of Fame. Very few people were so perfect that they got into heaven right away; prophet, or so evil they went to hell on the first round draft. Instead most people remain in Purgatory, waiting for their name be called by the drafting committee.

    The way you move up or down the ladder, from Purgatory to being nominated to heaven or hell, is dependent on the how people you left behind remember you. If you left behind good memories the love and respect of others is like the sports writers influencing the nomination committee. On the hand, if you left behind pain and suffering these memoirs can also influence the nomination committee connected to the dark side of the hall of fame.

    In the New Testament, Jesus, after his death, goes to Hades and intercedes with the nomination committee and releases the souls in Hades.
     
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