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Eat the Rich

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Secret Chief, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    See Jonathan Swift, "A Modest Proposal."
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm
     
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  2. Heyo

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    Some modern companies could learn from Henry Ford, one of the worst capitalists to ever exist. He insisted that a car should be affordable by the workers in his factories.
     
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    But it's pretty trivial to demonstrate that capitalism doesn't really work without a massive, exploited underclass who are paid significantly lower than the value of their labour. It's only in a company's interest to pay fair wages if they cannot get away with it - hence why so many major corporations either underpay their staff (wage theft is the most widespread form of theft in America) or farm out their production to other countries where workers have fewer rights.

    There is no such thing as either "good" or "bad' capitalism. All of it is rolled up in the same core ideology that corporate interest and profit is put ahead of the common good. That's not "bad" capitalism, it's a fundamental component of ALL capitalism.
     
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  4. Nakosis

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    Where did you get your education in capitalism?
     
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    Ford who had a net worth of $1.2 billion in the 1920s?
    If only we could all be that bad at capitalism. :)
     
  6. Heyo

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    I didn't mean he was bad at capitalism.
     
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  7. Secret Chief

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    Holy **** there must be some RF rule banning posting videos of That****.
     
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    There is no "bad" or "good" capitalism. There is just capitalism. It's a system of commercial production that rewards excess wealth with the unmitigated power to capture even more excess wealth. That's it. It is completely amoral. It cares not where the excess wealth came from, by what means, or what one does with it apart from investing it to get more of it.
     
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    What you are calling "affordable", here, is really dubious.

    If you are in business to make as much money as possible, would you rather sell 1 widget for $1000 dollars, or 10 widgets for $100 dollars, each? Keep in mind that the latter will cost YOU more than the former, and cut into those big profits that you're seeking.

    So, no, the capitalist is not interested in selling more or better widgets at a cheaper price. All he's interested in is getting as much of your money as is possible. And if he can do that without giving you ANYTHING AT ALL, in return, he would much prefer that. Because that is actually the ultimate ideal of the capitalist prime directive: to get ALL OF YOUR MONEY. Once that has been achieved, you become irrelevant to the capitalist system. Which is why everything costs as much as the capitalists can get away with charging for them, regardless of their actual value. And is why everyone who is not a capital investors, stays one paycheck away from being broke.

    It's a terrible system based entirely on the power it gives to greed, at the expense of everything and everyone else.
     
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    Who is supposed to mitigate that power?
     
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    ... Is that your only response?
     
  12. Guitar's Cry

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    I've been moving further and further left (intellectually) the older I get.
     
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    Usually, governments and other such regulators - though it could be argued that once enough capital is accrued even those forces can be bent to fit the desire of powerful enough oligarch. The other is worker unification.
     
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    Me too. I thought Blair led a socialist government. I was young and naive. :rolleyes:




    "By the time you hit your thirties most of you are going to be massively right wing anyway...." >>>>

    - Overly-Woke Support Group on Vimeo - LewRockwell
     
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    What works best is to undercut the competition. The exception to this is when you have a reputation of providing excellent products or services.

    What you think you know about capitalism is completely wrong. If capitalism worked as you think it does, it would have defeated itself long ago. Yet here we are, were socialism is not. :shrug:
     
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    The the problem then is with the government.

    Worker unification under a strong authoritarian leadership? Just another political party. We've enough trouble with Republicans and Democrats.
     
  17. Guitar's Cry

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    It would appear both capitalism and socialism suffer from image problems and perhaps need updated wardrobes.
     
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    Because most haven't. Not usually part of public education so most people have a wrong understanding of capitalism.
    I certainly didn't receive my understanding of capitalism through public education so I understand why so many misconception exist about it.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    That's going to school first.
    Learning with another driver comes afterwards.
    This is especially so with flatbed & lowboy drivers,
    for whom rigging must be learned.
     
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    Capitalist countries don't become "socialist" just because
    they have a social welfare system. Socialism is when
    "the people" own the means of production....that is if we
    are to use dictionary definitions rather than personal ones.
     
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