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Eat the Rich

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Secret Chief, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. Rival

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    And socialism has a better track record of morality?

    o_O
     
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    No kidding. We clearly see what socialism and communism brings to the table.
     
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    I'm guessing you are thinking Soviet Russia and China. You're probably ignoring Sweden and Denmark, whose citizens routinely rank as some of the happiest people.

    So be specific. Or just play word games as if we aren't on to the right wing tricks.
     
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    The excuse for it's omni-failure....
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    Well, they can still hire people as trainees or apprentices, just like they did in the past.

    It may not last as long as two generations, though. Some people have had their jobs become technologically obsolete within their own lifetimes. Or, if not obsolete, they became economically non-viable because the same job could be done by someone overseas at a fraction of the price.

    It's not that nobody actually needs these jobs anymore, because obviously, most of these low-skilled, low-wage jobs are clearly needed by society. As you say, we're not at a fully automated future yet. Yet, it's only for some emotional or cultural reason that people seem to believe that these jobs should be paid as little as possible. It apparently has very little to do with practical economics or even good business sense. "Penny wise and pound foolish."

    Maybe it is a lame degree, but one has to wonder why colleges and universities would even offer such utterly pointless and useless degrees. I mean, if it's purely for the sake of scholarly research, then it would only have value within academia or perhaps for government research. But even then, such positions would presumably be limited in number.
     
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    Those are capitalist countries.
     
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    It's better if they bring some training to the table.
    They need to be productive right out of the gate,
    so that everyone can continue working.
    A construction site is not a classroom, even though
    some learning happens.
     
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    There's a culture of learning for the sake of learning in
    these ivory towers. For your viewing pleasure....
     
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    They keep trying to remind people of that fact but keep getting intentionally ignored by people trying to sell the socialism kool-aid.
     
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    The Red Army and PLA were surely no failures. At best, you could only accurately say a 50% failure. However, it's probably closer to only a 1%-2% failure. The wealthiest people at the top, who are accustomed to living in total luxury, might have found it a bit rough.
     
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    These countries are not socialist though.

    "To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

    First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs."


    Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist (forbes.com)
     
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    People think that socialism will only curtail the freedoms of the rich whereas it always ends up curtailing the freedom of everyone.
     
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    Essentially, socialists must re-define "socialism" to
    avoid including disastrous examples of "the people"
    owning the means of production, eg, N Korea, Cuba.
    Now it's....
    Do I like this capitalist country's social programs?
    If yes, then "socialist".

    But they still talk of ditching capitalism, which is the
    path to a N Korea type of command economy, with
    all the consequent oppression.
     
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    "They'd rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less rich." - D. Margaret Thatcher.
     
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    Here...

     
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    The only debate there is the amount of social programs you want supported by capitalism.
    In the US , the government seems more interested in supporting itself than its citizens.
    It's not money itself that corrupts, it's the power it affords. The more money printed by the government, the more power it gives itself.

    Government's power comes through enforcement which is even deadlier when it becomes corrupt. The more power given to government the more likely it is that it will become corrupt.
     
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    That's kind of telling. Socialism seems now redefined to any economic system that is successful.
    The failed Socialism economies were not "real" socialism. :shrug:
     
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    Exactly. It's the whole reason the monarchy in the UK went from being almost absolute, to having a parliament, to having checks and balances, to not even allowing the King or Queen into the Chamber of Parliament nor disrupt it, and eventually ended up with a constitutional monarchy essentially by the Georgian Period. It seems many institutions are doing this backwards and becoming bigger, more powerful and less accountable.
     
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    And for poor people who can't afford to get themselves out of poverty in a self-perpetuating system that relies on personal wealth to generate more personal wealth.

    It's not surprising that many people from working-class families don't have college degrees or other marketable academic skills when college in the U.S. (and in multiple other countries) costs an arm and a leg unless you take out a loan that leaves you indebted for years. Then when you factor in other expenses like health care, especially for medical emergencies, the picture of capitalism becomes much different from the inaccurate and overly idealistic notion that "hard work begets wealth" within a strictly capitalist system.
     
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