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Early Sociaists

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Who is your favourite pre-modern (i.e. before Marxian Socialism) advocate of proto-socialist ideas and why?

I'm thinking of people like the ancient Greek philosopher Plato in The Republic, Jesus (and the early Christians) in the first century, Mazdak in 6th century Zoroastrian Persia, Petr Chelcicky in 15th century Bohemia (and the Taborite Hussites), St. Thomas More in his 16th century work Utopia and Gerard Winstanley (and the Diggers) in the 17th century English Civil War.

To qualify as "proto-socialist", the thinker or movement has to have anticipated some form of communal ownership of property and espoused an incipient equality, at least as an ideal.

The New Testament’s Book of Acts, for instance, tells us that in Jerusalem the first converts to Christ practised their new faith by living in a single dwelling, selling all fixed holdings, redistributing their wealth on the basis of need and owning all possessions, including land, in common. This was after a pattern Jesus himself had established: “Each of you who does not give up all he possesses is incapable of being my disciple” (Luke 14:33). The Roman satirist Lucian of Samosata (c. 125 AD – 180 AD), who wrote about Christian beliefs extensively in his Death of Peregrine, likewise confirmed that the Christians of his period still held to communal ownership of goods, writing:



The Death of Peregrine | De Morte Peregrini | The Lucian of Samosata Project


In some of the Asiatic cities, too, the Christian communities put themselves to the expense of sending deputations, with offers of sympathy, assistance, and legal advice. The activity of these people, in dealing with any matter that affects their community, is something extraordinary; they spare no trouble, no expense...

It was impressed on these misguided creatures by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

All this they take quite on trust, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property. Now an adroit, unscrupulous fellow, who has seen the world, has only to get among these simple souls, and his fortune is pretty soon made; he plays with them.


And the early Christians adhered to a primitive form of equality of status and human solidarity (i.e. St. Paul in Galatians 3:28 (NRSV) "There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus". As the Jewish scholar Daniel Boyarin once explained, in his 1997 study A Radical Jew: Paul and the Politics of Identity, early Pauline Christianity proclaimed the doctrine of a "universal human essence, beyond difference and hierarchy" and called for "autonomy, equality, and species-wide solidarity". ).

So, on to you!
 
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Woberts

The Perfumed Seneschal
Eh, probably Jesus.
I'm more a fan of later socialists, so I don't know very many pre-Marx ones.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Premium Member
As far as proto-socialists, I'm a fan of Mazdak as well.
Like you mentioned, early Christianity certainly seems to have leaned socialist as well...it's a shame that changed, really.

Mazdak is especially interesting, since he combined early ideals of social equality, welfare programs and communal property with "free love" as well.

The downside to the latter, is that he may - although it's debated by historians, with some deeming it slander - have advocated the sharing of wives, which wouldn't be surprising since Plato argued for the same among his Guardians.

Either way, he was a genius way ahead of his time and I find him fascinating.

He "instituted communal possessions and social welfare programs", for which reason he remains celebrated in Ferdowsi's Persian epic The Shahnameh. See:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdak#Mazdakism


Mazdak emphasised good conduct, which involved a moral and ascetic life, no killing and vegetarianism (considering meat to contain substances derived solely from Darkness), being kind and friendly and living in peace with other people.

In many ways Mazdak's teaching can be understood as a call for social revolution, and has been referred to as early "communism".[6] He and his followers were also advocates of free love.[8]

According to Mazdak, God had originally placed the means of subsistence on earth so that people should divide them among themselves equally, but the strong had coerced the weak, seeking domination and causing the contemporary inequality.

This in turn empowered the "Five Demons" that turned men from Righteousness – these were Envy, Wrath, Vengeance, Need and Greed. To prevail over these evils, justice had to be restored and everybody should share excess possessions with his fellow men.

Mazdak allegedly planned to achieve this by making all wealth common or by re-distributing the excess
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Tell me more, I'm not sure I am all that familiar with his thought.

Intrigued.
I don't know very much about his thinking either.

I know that despite being the loaded owner of a textile mill he agitated for the 8-hour day and was pretty centrally involved in the UK trade union and co-op movement. For me that makes him a pretty stand up fellow.

Apparently his attempts at building the kind of utopian communities he envisioned failed pretty miserably. I just read that there just now.
 
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