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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Redemptionsong, Aug 29, 2021.

  1. Bird123

    Bird123 Well-Known Member

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    Your beliefs were never the point. The point was what actually exists. It doesn't matter whether you believe God exists or not. You do already know God whether at this moment you do not know you know. There will come a time when it will all become clear to you again.

    As for claiming your subconscious is solving your problems, the question remains. Why isn't it solving more problems for you? Your subconscious solving your problems is mere speculation on your part as you can not come up with the real answer.

    Like I said. It is what it is until one has knowledge to show otherwise.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
  2. We Never Know

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    According to studies, we can't dream of a face we haven't ever seen.

    15 Interesting Facts about Dreams
     
  3. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    Well all I can say about that, is that is not a case in my dreams. It happens to me all the time, it is not a face I have seen on earth, most of the time, unless it is of the first layer of dreams, then yes.

    Mostly what I consider we see is not a physical but the Spiritual reality of a person. I have awakened from a dream to know my sister was in it, but the form I was interacting was not her physical self or features.

    Regards Tony
     
  4. We Never Know

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    So can you say with 100% surety that you have never seen the face(s) you dream of in a book, movie, passing in the street, etc?

    "Our mind is not inventing faces – in our dreams, we see real faces of real people that we have seen during our life but may not know or remember. We have all seen hundreds of thousands of faces throughout our lives, so we have an endless supply of characters for our brain to utilize during our dreams.
     
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    It doesn't matter whether you believe God exists or not. You do already know God whether at this moment you do not know you know. There will come a time when it will all become clear to you again.

    Do you honestly not see how childish that sounds? Fewer things are more pathetic than moronically claiming that you know what someone else knows better than they do.

    As for claiming your subconscious is solving your problems, the question remains. Why isn't it solving more problems for you? Your subconscious solving your problems is mere speculation on your part as you can not come up with the real answer.

    Wait a minute! If GOD solved your water leakage problem why isn't GOD solving all of your problems? Again, don't you see how pathetically childish such an argument is?

    Like I said. It is what it is until one has knowledge to show otherwise.

    The only thing we have knowledge of is that it came to you in a dream. Whether it came from God or your subconscious, we have no knowledge, yet you've foolishly decided to attribute it to God.
     
  6. ben d

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    This 'dream' happened many years ago.

    So I went to bed and at some point during the night I floated up from my bed and out the window of the house (which was not my house) and found my self flying above the grass and trees below, with a man holding my right hand with his left and flying beside me. I pinched myself on my right forearm and it hurt so I understood that I was not dreaming.

    We came to a place where there were people sitting around a rectangular table with one at the end with his back to me. I was brought to this 'man' who stood up and turned around and said "What took you so long?". This man was not a man, it was an alien and had the most revolting face and head I've ever imagined. I could not hide my revulsion, he had a face that looked a hundred year old, and his huge forehead was incredibly wrinkled.

    I now seemed to be in training jumping, running, dancing, etc. with others.

    Next I was presented with a large two sided sword by a friend whose initials are JC, and the blade had engraved on it "Macole".

    I woke up in my bed and had goose bumps each time I remembered what I had just experienced. I did not consider it a dream but a real encounter in my physical body.. I thought about it night and day for months and read about esoteric matters such as the concept of astral travel, OOB experiences, etc.. I finally accepted that my physical body did not go anywhere, it was in bed the whole time, it all happened in my astral body.

    There are many things about the experience I am yet to understand, but certainly my spiritual development was a key aspect. If anyone has any suggestions as to things I do not understand, like the revolting alien, the sword, etc., please feel free.
     
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  7. Redemptionsong

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    At least you admit that you don't know what existed before the Big Bang, and that you don't understand 'consciousness' or 'life'. With a bit more digging, l think it will quickly become apparent that your reliance on scientific method and critical thinking is not enough to uncover 'truth'. Yet, it is truth that you have claimed to seek.

    How can scientific method, which is inductive, ever supply a person with truth? It will always be an approximation. Without omniscience, absolute truth will remain unknowable. And who, if anyone, has onniscience? It can only be the Creator.

    The first words of the Bible are a condition for understanding God's word. It is not set forth as a puzzle to be tackled by critical thinkers, but a revelation to all who have a heart to learn the truth, as God reveals it.

    I have spent much of my life studying the Bible and comparing it with other religious texts. I can find no comparable prophecy. As Jesus said, 'scripture cannot be broken', and although it took about 1500 years to complete the canon of the Bible, the words build a picture of incomparible beauty and truth. To even suggest that there is no evidence of God's hand is to overlook the wisdom, prophecy and impact of the message. This is aside from the historical record of lsrael and the surrounding nations, which archaeology continues to bring to light and prove to be accurate.

    IMO.
     
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    Nebuchadnezzar did not initially remember the dream but it sounds like it came back to him when he heard Daniel's revelation and vision. Why else would he say what he says in Daniel 2:47?

    The important point is that what was revealed can be interpreted and validated. There were four successive empires that match the dream, and most significantly, 'And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.' [Daniel 2:44]

    There can be little doubt that this was a prophecy making 'known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter'. How else can one explain this foreknowledge except to say it comes from God? None of the wise men, astologers, magicians or soothsayers were able to reveal these things [Daniel 2:27].
     
  9. Bird123

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    Did I really attribute it to God? Didn't I say that I would only attribute it to God if God delivered it personally?

    As for God solving problems, God will give His children anything as long as it does not interfere with their lessons or anyone else's lessons.

    As for you knowing God whether you know you know God or not, this might sound childish, however, in time, you will discover this to be true.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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    You claim to believe in a god, but deep in your heart you really know it's all make-believe. You're just too afraid to admit it. Someday you'll work up the courage to face the truth.

    Not only does the above SOUND childish, it actually IS childish.
     
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    I'm going to be lazy and post this thread...because it really answers your OP in my case:

    The God Dream
     
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    You don't really have to choose between if it is God or "just psychology" IMO. My link in this thread to another thread argues that God is an objective feature of the human psyche. The mind is what the brain does and there is a class of experience that maps to what is described in the story of Abram/Abraham in Genesis. The author(s) of Genesis were familiar with this type of dream/revelation experience because it actually has occurred for people throughout human history.

    Its a wonderful mystery of life and a rare, or at least, uncommon experience. Mine occurred when I was about Jesus' age. I wonder if these sorts of things tend to happen in the late twenties, early thirties.
     
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    I think that dreams can take a remembered face, which is probably imperfectly remembered, and alter it. Given the hardware and software that is the brain, it is hard to imagine we ever dream of anyone's face exactly or ever the same way twice.
     
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    I am not choosing anything brother. I am just not assuming. Yet I thank you for your post.
     
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    But the information has to come from somewhere. ESP seems to prove that there is something going on that we cannot account for.
     
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    Sure, the subconscious mind has extra sensory perception. It can perceive well beyond what we are consciously aware of.
    The question is, I suppose whether there is a necessary magical. supernatural, or perhaps divine element.
     
  17. Bird123

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    God is not a Belief to me. I know God actually exists because along my journey to Discover what the actual truth was, I received a visit from God.

    If you base God on what religions are teaching, I understand where you are coming from. I have found no religion that actually understands God at all.

    That is what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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    No you don't. Deep in your heart you know it's not true and you are just pretending. Don't argue, because I definitely know what you think and believe better that you do.
     
  19. Muffled

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    I believe I have had both.

    I believe it is a matter of whom I am receptive.

    There was one where I was separated from family. This was precognitive. It did happen.
     
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    I believe the Bible says something different from what you believe. I prefer to believe what God says about it rather than someone with limited knowledge and experience.
     
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